Re: 2 ideas

2018-06-10 Thread Chris Marusich
Nils Gillmann writes: > swedebugia transcribed 2.8K bytes: >> >> In Arch there is a post-install hook that enables informing the user of >> additional steps needed to actually use the software as intended. >> >> I find that useful. Is there a guix alternative? > > I think we discussed someth

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Catonano
2018-06-10 2:51 GMT+02:00 Mark H Weaver : > myg...@gmail.com writes: > > > Are there any other acceptable responses, in your view? > I already proposed a way forward and I even asked you if you would refuse to merge it I see you attitute towards that, now. Also: yesterday night, before goin

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Catonano
2018-06-10 0:49 GMT+02:00 : > On 06/07/2018 at 17:25 Catonano writes: > > > I just published my latest blog post > > > > In this post I discuss Guix > > > > And I discuss Guile too > > > > I understand that the language is strong and I expect someone to be upset > > > > But I feel this is due > >

Re: my latest blog post [everyone, please take a cooldown break]

2018-06-10 Thread Nils Gillmann
Hi, I think it would be best if everyone involved would cool down for a couple of days, restructure their thoughts and reflect on this thread. Look at what they are doing, and at how they are reacting to other peoples reaction. This topic is getting quiet heated, and other than the maintainers we

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Catonano
2018-06-10 8:55 GMT+02:00 Pjotr Prins : > On Sat, Jun 09, 2018 at 08:51:59PM -0400, Mark H Weaver wrote: > > myg...@gmail.com writes: > > > Thank you for taking the time to contribute your thoughts. I am sorry > to > > > see you getting so beat up by the responses. Unfortunately the > > > nit-pic

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Catonano, this language is not at all acceptable anywhere on Guix as you can see by referencing the Code of Conduct. --8<---cut here---start->8--- Examples of unacceptable behavior by participants include: * The use of sexualized language or imagery and unwe

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Catonano
2018-06-10 11:26 GMT+02:00 Ricardo Wurmus : > > Catonano, > > this language is not at all acceptable anywhere on Guix as you can see > by referencing the Code of Conduct. > > --8<---cut here---start->8--- > Examples of unacceptable behavior by participants inclu

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Catonano writes: > They made a conduct report but nothing happened, eventually they had to > talk to Ludo directly >From the Code of Conduct: Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be reported by contacting the project team at guix-maintain...@gnu.org

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Catonano
2018-06-10 11:29 GMT+02:00 Ricardo Wurmus : > > Catonano writes: > > > They made a conduct report but nothing happened, eventually they had to > > talk to Ludo directly > > From the Code of Conduct: > >Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior >may be reported by

Re: 2 ideas

2018-06-10 Thread Pierre Neidhardt
Then intention of the Arch post-install script is good (that is, informing the user) but I find the implementation brittle: if the messages are too many or too long, it can be very easy to miss a message. Furthermore, the script cannot be triggered out-of-install, which means that once the shell

[shepherd] herd status suggestion

2018-06-10 Thread Nils Gillmann
Hi, right now we have this view: abyayala$ sudo herd status tor Status of tor: It is stopped. It is disabled. Provides (tor). Requires (user-processes loopback syslogd). Conflicts with (). Will be respawned. Last respawned on Sun Jun 10 08:08:45Z 2018. Would it be an option to cha

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Catonano writes: > 2018-06-10 11:29 GMT+02:00 Ricardo Wurmus : > >> >> Catonano writes: >> >> > They made a conduct report but nothing happened, eventually they had to >> > talk to Ludo directly >> >> From the Code of Conduct: >> >>Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Mark H Weaver
Catonano writes: > By the way, a third person wrote me in private right now telling that > Mark was an asshole to them too and they stopped contributing to guix > altogether > > They made a conduct report but nothing happened, eventually they had > to talk to Ludo directly If you're accusing me

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Mark H Weaver
Catonano writes: > Now, please, tell me: is it worth that I edit the manual to include in > a reasonable way the notions that you provided my with about macro > stepping ? > > Or would you refuse to merge it ? My position is that the manual is not an appropriate place to document wishlist items

Re: 2 ideas

2018-06-10 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On 10.06.2018 11:54, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: Then intention of the Arch post-install script is good (that is, informing the user) but I find the implementation brittle: if the messages are too many or too long, it can be very easy to miss a message. Furthermore, the script cannot be triggered ou

Re: [shepherd] herd status suggestion

2018-06-10 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Hi Nils, > abyayala$ sudo herd status tor > Status of tor: > It is stopped. > It is disabled. > Provides (tor). > Requires (user-processes loopback syslogd). > Conflicts with (). > Will be respawned. > Last respawned on Sun Jun 10 08:08:45Z 2018. > > > Would it be an option to chan

Re: 2 ideas (Was: Re: bug#31518: [PATCH 10/21] gnu: Add emacs-google-translate.)

2018-06-10 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Hi Nils, > I think we discussed something similar briefly. Or at least package > attached metadata which ends up in a '/guix' folder of the output. > I've been following (not yet implementing) a similar idea, where > such messages are either local mail and/or end up in a (mapped to guix:) > '/gu

Re: 2 ideas

2018-06-10 Thread Gábor Boskovits
2018-06-10 13:26 GMT+02:00 Thorsten Wilms : > On 10.06.2018 11:54, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: > >> Then intention of the Arch post-install script is good (that is, >> informing the user) but I find the implementation brittle: if the >> messages are too many or too long, it can be very easy to miss a

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Pjotr Prins
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 11:07:21AM +0200, Catonano wrote: >I'm glad I'm flushing out, people >You are expressing all your jerkiness in all its glory :-) It is obvious by now that this person is trolling. Is there any reason to listen to them? Pj.

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Catonano writes: >> Andy’s time is still limited. What other people can do is discuss >> *specific* cases on guile-devel and work towards a solution. But please >> do not demand of others to explain everything in detail. (I’m directing >> this at everyone who heeds my advice to go to guile-d

Re: my latest blog post [everyone, please take a cooldown break]

2018-06-10 Thread Christopher Lemmer Webber
Nils Gillmann writes: > Hi, > > I think it would be best if everyone involved would cool down for a couple of > days, restructure their thoughts and reflect on this thread. Look at what > they are doing, and at how they are reacting to other peoples reaction. > This topic is getting quiet heated,

Re: 2 ideas (Was: Re: bug#31518: [PATCH 10/21] gnu: Add emacs-google-translate.)

2018-06-10 Thread swedebugia
Hi Ricardo On June 10, 2018 1:35:00 PM GMT+02:00, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > >Hi Nils, > >> I think we discussed something similar briefly. Or at least package >> attached metadata which ends up in a '/guix' folder of the output. >> I've been following (not yet implementing) a similar idea, where

Re: 2 ideas (Was: Re: bug#31518: [PATCH 10/21] gnu: Add emacs-google-translate.)

2018-06-10 Thread Nils Gillmann
swedebugia transcribed 1.6K bytes: > Hi Ricardo > > On June 10, 2018 1:35:00 PM GMT+02:00, Ricardo Wurmus > wrote: > > > >Hi Nils, > > > >> I think we discussed something similar briefly. Or at least package > >> attached metadata which ends up in a '/guix' folder of the output. > >> I've been

Re: my latest blog post [everyone, please take a cooldown break]

2018-06-10 Thread Gábor Boskovits
+1 2018-06-10 15:33 GMT+02:00 Christopher Lemmer Webber : > Nils Gillmann writes: > > > Hi, > > > > I think it would be best if everyone involved would cool down for a > couple of > > days, restructure their thoughts and reflect on this thread. Look at what > > they are doing, and at how they are

Re: [shepherd] herd status suggestion

2018-06-10 Thread Nils Gillmann
Ricardo Wurmus transcribed 982 bytes: > > Hi Nils, > > > abyayala$ sudo herd status tor > > Status of tor: > > It is stopped. > > It is disabled. > > Provides (tor). > > Requires (user-processes loopback syslogd). > > Conflicts with (). > > Will be respawned. > > Last respawned on S

Re: my latest blog post [everyone, please take a cooldown break]

2018-06-10 Thread Kei Kebreau
Gábor Boskovits writes: > +1 > > 2018-06-10 15:33 GMT+02:00 Christopher Lemmer Webber : > > Nils Gillmann writes: > > > Hi, > > > > I think it would be best if everyone involved would cool down for a couple > of > > days, restructure their thoughts and reflect on this thread. Look at what >

GSoC - "Continuing re-write of daemon in Guile Scheme" update

2018-06-10 Thread Sandeep Subramanian
Hi all, Everyone has noticed that I am kind of quiet on the IRC channel. The reason for that, and the reason that I haven't been sending updates is that my current situation is not giving me enough time to work on this project. I know that I promised in the application that I will give my best to

Re: GSoC - "Continuing re-write of daemon in Guile Scheme" update

2018-06-10 Thread Pierre Neidhardt
Hey Sandeep, Thanks for letting us know and for being so transparent! It's life, setbacks happen, but this should not push anyone to give up on anything: I think you have the right attitude, keep going and doing what you like, you will eventually meet greater successes in the future! GuixSD is

Re: Maintaining implementations of similar utility functions like json-fetch

2018-06-10 Thread Jelle Licht
Ludovic Courtès writes: > Hey, > > Jelle Licht skribis: > >> I basically added the robust features of `json-fetch*' to the exported >> `json-fetch' >> instead, and all existing functionality seems to work out as far as I can >> see. > > So are you saying that we can get rid of ‘json-fetch*’? > >

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi Catonano, Catonano skribis: > you chose to enfforce only some violations, not all of them This is a channel of the Guix project, and our code of conduct applies on this channel (the other issue you referred to was on the Guile channel and is not related to Guix.) The insults and derogatory

Re: my latest blog post

2018-06-10 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Catonano skribis: > I just want to record the sorry state of this community You and I both know this community, having interacted on-line for a while and having met in person as well. Like you wrote in the first part of your blog post, the state of this community is anything but sad. I find it

Re: New ‘guix pull’ dosen’t update the guix manual in GuixSD

2018-06-10 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello 宋文武! iyzs...@member.fsf.org (宋文武) skribis: > After run ‘guix pull’ twice, I have got ‘~/.config/guix/current’, then > use it to do a system reconfigure for ‘/etc/profile’. > > But the guix manual doesn’t got updated, my ‘INFOPATH’ contains: > > - /home/iyzsong/.guix-profile/share/info > - /

Re: [shepherd] herd status suggestion

2018-06-10 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello Nils, Nils Gillmann skribis: > Ricardo Wurmus transcribed 982 bytes: >> >> Hi Nils, >> >> > abyayala$ sudo herd status tor >> > Status of tor: >> > It is stopped. >> > It is disabled. >> > Provides (tor). >> > Requires (user-processes loopback syslogd). >> > Conflicts with ().

Re: GSoC - "Continuing re-write of daemon in Guile Scheme" update

2018-06-10 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello uniq10, We’ve already discussed this before in private, and like I said, I’m really grateful you notified us before too long. You chose to be transparent and fair, and that’s something I really appreciate. I wish you the best with your endeavors and hopefully we’ll meet again in the free s

Re: [shepherd] herd status suggestion

2018-06-10 Thread Nils Gillmann
Ludovic Court??s transcribed 1.3K bytes: > Hello Nils, > > Nils Gillmann skribis: > > > Ricardo Wurmus transcribed 982 bytes: > >> > >> Hi Nils, > >> > >> > abyayala$ sudo herd status tor > >> > Status of tor: > >> > It is stopped. > >> > It is disabled. > >> > Provides (tor). > >> > R

Re: Maintaining implementations of similar utility functions like json-fetch

2018-06-10 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello Jelle! Jelle Licht skribis: > Sorry for the delay. Cue the drum roll; Attached is my initial draft of > this patch. I initially wanted to split it up into 2 or more patches, but > could not make this work in a way that I could wrap my head around. Better late than never! :-) It looks go

Re: GSoC - "Continuing re-write of daemon in Guile Scheme" update

2018-06-10 Thread Gábor Boskovits
> > > Hello uniq10, Thanks for letting us know! I hope to see you again in the community when your issues are resolved. Best regards, g_bor

GSoC 2018 Syntax and semantics of systemd units in the Shepherd - 1st update

2018-06-10 Thread Ioannis Panagiotis Koutsidis
Hi Guix! As the 1st phase is coming to an end I decided to post my progress. I have implemented the unit file parsing as well as some of the basic entries supported by it, such as ExecStart, User, Group, Restart, etc. In addition, support for the systemd Restart values (on-success, on-failure, on

Re: 2 ideas

2018-06-10 Thread Chris Marusich
Ricardo Wurmus writes: > It could be useful to have application-specific setup notes in a > well-known location that is gathered when the profile is built. Maybe we could begin by adding a simple, optional field ("post-install-notes", maybe?) to the record type? We could maybe print the notes

Re: GSoC - "Continuing re-write of daemon in Guile Scheme" update

2018-06-10 Thread swedebugia
On June 10, 2018 9:45:37 PM GMT+02:00, l...@gnu.org wrote: >Hello uniq10, > >We’ve already discussed this before in private, and like I said, I’m >really grateful you notified us before too long. You chose to be >transparent and fair, and that’s something I really appreciate. > >I wish you the

Re: my latest blog post [everyone, please take a cooldown break]

2018-06-10 Thread swedebugia
Hi On June 10, 2018 4:37:17 PM GMT+02:00, Kei Kebreau wrote: >Gábor Boskovits writes: > >> +1 >> >> 2018-06-10 15:33 GMT+02:00 Christopher Lemmer Webber >: >> >> Nils Gillmann writes: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I think it would be best if everyone involved would cool down for >a couple of >> > d