Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-11-24 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Freitag, dem 24.11.2023 um 19:54 +0100 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli: > Hi again, > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 06:30:26 +0200 > Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > > If in some one to five years we still find no practical way of > > using > > ScummVM with only free software, that might be a reason to r

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-11-24 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
Hi again, On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 06:30:26 +0200 Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > If in some one to five years we still find no practical way of using > ScummVM with only free software, that might be a reason to remove it > then. With lot of help from anthk_ #hyperbola I finally found a practical way t

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-07-23 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Mittwoch, dem 21.06.2023 um 10:38 +0200 schrieb Giovanni Biscuolo: > > Note, that this discussion started IIRC a year ago and we have > > practically known about actually existing FSDG violations since > > then. > > My approach here is quite simple and pragmatic: Remove the games > > which obvi

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-21 Thread Giovanni Biscuolo
Liliana Marie Prikler writes: [...] > Note, that this discussion started IIRC a year ago and we have > practically known about actually existing FSDG violations since then. > My approach here is quite simple and pragmatic: Remove the games which > obviously violate the FSDG (that is all the gam

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-20 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 06:30:26 +0200 Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > Note, that this discussion started IIRC a year ago and we have > practically known about actually existing FSDG violations since then. > My approach here is quite simple and pragmatic: Remove the games which > obviously violate the

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-20 Thread Efraim Flashner
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 06:30:26AM +0200, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > Am Sonntag, dem 18.06.2023 um 21:07 +0200 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' > Carikli: > > [...] > > > Didn't you say that a hello world for scummvm exists? > > I don't know. There is a template for AGI games but the license is > > stran

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-19 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Sonntag, dem 18.06.2023 um 21:07 +0200 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli: > [...] > > Didn't you say that a hello world for scummvm exists? > I don't know. There is a template for AGI games but the license is > strange too, and it also requires some software to build it, and I've > no idea if it's

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-18 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 10:19:06 +0200 Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > I've tracked the checksum to the header in which it was declared, and > it says > /* MD5 of (the beginning of) the described file.  > Optional. Set to NULL to ignore. */ > const char *md5; > (Comment reformatted to fit into

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-18 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Freitag, dem 16.06.2023 um 17:41 +0200 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli: > On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 19:34:32 +0200 > Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > > I don't think we need to be that harsh on ScummVM itself, it being > > a virtual machine.  > > > > Compare it to Wine: the tools to create Windows bin

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-16 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 19:34:32 +0200 Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > I don't think we need to be that harsh on ScummVM itself, it being a > virtual machine. > > Compare it to Wine: the tools to create Windows binaries with free > software only are limited (albeit existing if we discount the > neces

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-15 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Donnerstag, dem 15.06.2023 um 18:30 +0200 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli: > Also if: > - There are no free programs for ScummVM (a hello world under >   a free license would could count as a free program) (we don't know > if it's the case or not) > - ScummVM needs to be patched to run modifie

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-15 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
Hi, About the license it's still unclear if it's free or not as some people pointed on the gnu-linux-libre mailing[1] list that it's a bit similar to the open font license, but that is a license for fonts not code though. So I've looked at the other aspects (missing source code, etc). On Sat, 6 A

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-25 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
In a strange coincidence (I mean, I assume they don't troll our lists...?), I just got a friendly reply to assure me we've not been forgot. Kind regards, T G-R Sent on the go. Excuse or enjoy my brevity.

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
I got an auto-reply with a ticket number from the FSF, but no answer yet. I was aware of and unimpressed by Debian's rationalisations on the matter. Still, this isn't as clear-cut as (say) the Realtek drivers, so IMO we can afford to wait as long as is needed. Kind regards, T G-R Sent on the

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread Maxime Devos
On 24-08-2022 22:24, zimoun wrote: My understanding of the Debian argument is: 1. the licence is BSD-like respecting the Debian Free Software Guidelines 2. point #3 of DFSG [2] says «The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed under the s

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread Maxime Devos
On 24-08-2022 22:24, Vagrant Cascadian wrote: Is it Functional Data: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html "For example, some game engines released under the GNU GPL have accompanying game information—a fictional world map, game graphics, and so on—re

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread zimoun
Hi Liliana, (I have no opinion about this topic.) Your quote is: >> The data included in the source package represents the preferred form >> for modifications. >> If they were licensed under the G P L it would fail the "preferred >> form of modification" requirement but from the mentioned link

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
On 2022-08-24, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > Am Mittwoch, dem 24.08.2022 um 14:53 +0200 schrieb Nicolas Goaziou: >> Liliana Marie Prikler writes: >> >> > The packages >> > - drascula, >> > - lure, >> > - queen, and >> > - sky >> > all share issues that make me question whether they should be in

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Mittwoch, dem 24.08.2022 um 14:53 +0200 schrieb Nicolas Goaziou: > Hello, > > Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > > > The packages > > - drascula, > > - lure, > > - queen, and > > - sky > > all share issues that make me question whether they should be in > > Guix. > > > > 1. Their license explic

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > The packages > - drascula, > - lure, > - queen, and > - sky > all share issues that make me question whether they should be in Guix. > > 1. Their license explicitly prohibits selling of the games themselves > and may thus be qualified as non-free. > 2. The

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-07 Thread Christine Lemmer-Webber
I thought I remembered that "Beneath a Steel Sky" was released by its authors under GPLv2 to some applause back in the day. I remember that's why I installed and played it... It's mentioned here at least: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beneath_a_Steel_Sky#Freeware_release_and_Remastered_edition

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-06 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Samstag, dem 06.08.2022 um 17:24 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos: > On 06-08-2022 06:59, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > > > 2. The "sources" consist of binaries that are installed as-is. > > The credits of ScummVM state that the source code is available for > Drascula[0] > > [0] https://docs.scum

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-06 Thread Maxime Devos
On 06-08-2022 06:59, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: 2. The "sources" consist of binaries that are installed as-is. The credits of ScummVM state that the source code is available for Drascula[0] [0] https://docs.scummvm.org/en/latest/help/credits.html: Emilio de Paz Aragón from Alcachofa Soft

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-06 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
I've sent an e-mail to the FSF licencing department asking for their guidance on the matter. I erred on the side of netiquette caution and didn't CC this list. Either the inclusion of [a subset of] Drascula in Trisquel[0] is a similar oversight, or we're missing some legal subtlety. I'm hop

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-05 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
Hi Liliana, Liliana Marie Prikler 写道: The packages - drascula, […] 1. Their license explicitly prohibits selling of the games themselves and may thus be qualified as non-free. Yep, it's pretty explicit, and I agree that it's an unreasonable restriction that makes the software non-free.