Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-28 Thread Christopher Howard
Steve George writes: > If you're interested in this topic there's quite a few different discussions > in the email archive, but it's never really achieved a conclusion. There are > many contributors who enjoy the current process, so I don't think anyone's > proposing removing that. It's about

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-28 Thread Andreas Enge
Hello, Am Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 08:58:58AM -0400 schrieb Thompson, David: > Is the Guix Foundation (https://foundation.guix.info/) the official > non-profit for Guix? I would say so, insofar as a volunteer project can have an "official" non-profit (there is no office to decide officiality). The id

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-26 Thread Greg Hogan
On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 7:25 PM Attila Lendvai wrote: [...] > this is also a chicken-egg issue: until some authority is delegated, the > center will remain a bottleneck. [...] > ... then i considered the effort it would take to send a patch, and the fact > that i already have a lot of my eff

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-26 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello, Ekaitz Zarraga skribis: > Second, grants work kind of well for specific tasks, but what happens > with the structural work? Is anybody actually getting paid for it? Should the project have the ability to pay people, I think it should first and foremost reward thankless tasks—from system

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Steve George
Hi Christopher, Thanks adding your thoughts, we're all trying to be "humble and enthusiastic" for Guix here! On 25 Oct, Christopher Howard wrote: > A few thoughts, as a humble but enthusiastic guix user. I'll try to be brief: > > - Having a full-time job already, I don't mind making some free c

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Greg Hogan
On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 10:21 AM Noé Lopez via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. wrote: > > Furthermore, on the topic of mail, I totally agree with David > Thompson. Mail is cool, I get it, but another way to contribute like > pull requests on a forgejo/gitlab mirror would b

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Attila Lendvai
> > The biggest questions for me are: Who makes decisions right now? Who > > is handling money? What's the overlap? I know there's a desire for > > collective decision making, which is great, but right now I think a > > smaller group of core people (Ludovic + some others) needs to put a > > structu

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Ekaitz Zarraga
Hi, We mostly agree with everything so let me focus on the points I were I'd like to add more. Thanks for adding your thoughts, they are really valuable. On 2024-10-25 14:58, Thompson, David wrote: I'd like to use this opportunity to say that the Guix project needs to stop relying upon emai

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Steve George
On 25 Oct, Efraim Flashner wrote: > On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 11:11:31AM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > > Steve George writes: > > > > > One concern with supporting developers is whether it demotivates them > > > in the long-term: from intrinsic to extrinisic motivation. Basically, > > > the answer

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
Hey everyone, As a relatively new user and contributor I thought I should share my point of view. When I started using Guix, the documentation was the greatest thing ever, few projects have a manual like this that can help you in so many situations. Of course the lack of wifi drivers was an issu

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Christopher Howard
A few thoughts, as a humble but enthusiastic guix user. I'll try to be brief: - Having a full-time job already, I don't mind making some free contributions (patches, troubleshooting) for Guix, even if somebody else is getting paid to do it. - I like that idea of donation money being spent to con

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Steve George writes: > On 25 Oct, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: >> Steve George writes: >> >> > One concern with supporting developers is whether it demotivates them >> > in the long-term: from intrinsic to extrinisic motivation. Basically, >> > the answer is that pay doesn't motivate but it does 'enab

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Thompson, David
Hey Ekaitz, I'm chiming in because I've been working on FOSS full-time for the past 2 years. Maybe it will be of some use. On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 6:08 PM Ekaitz Zarraga wrote: > > Hi, > > Recently I've been discussing with other members of the Guix community > about several things we consider w

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Efraim Flashner
On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 11:11:31AM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > Steve George writes: > > > One concern with supporting developers is whether it demotivates them > > in the long-term: from intrinsic to extrinisic motivation. Basically, > > the answer is that pay doesn't motivate but it does 'ena

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Efraim Flashner
On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 11:37:36AM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > Ekaitz Zarraga writes: > > > Ricardo, I can agree with you but how do you reward just being there > > and doing the dirty job? > > For reviews, for example, one could find an arbitrary set of metrics and > hand out an award with a

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread indieterminacy
On 2024-10-25 13:22, Steve George wrote: On 25 Oct, indieterminacy wrote: On 2024-10-25 11:37, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > Ekaitz Zarraga writes: > > > Ricardo, I can agree with you but how do you reward just being there > > and doing the dirty job? > > For reviews, for example, one could find an a

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Steve George
On 25 Oct, indieterminacy wrote: > On 2024-10-25 11:37, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > > Ekaitz Zarraga writes: > > > > > Ricardo, I can agree with you but how do you reward just being there > > > and doing the dirty job? > > > > For reviews, for example, one could find an arbitrary set of metrics and

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Steve George
On 25 Oct, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > Steve George writes: > > > One concern with supporting developers is whether it demotivates them > > in the long-term: from intrinsic to extrinisic motivation. Basically, > > the answer is that pay doesn't motivate but it does 'enable' for > > committed contribu

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread indieterminacy
On 2024-10-25 11:37, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: Ekaitz Zarraga writes: Ricardo, I can agree with you but how do you reward just being there and doing the dirty job? For reviews, for example, one could find an arbitrary set of metrics and hand out an award with a monetary component at an annual e

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Ekaitz Zarraga writes: > Ricardo, I can agree with you but how do you reward just being there > and doing the dirty job? For reviews, for example, one could find an arbitrary set of metrics and hand out an award with a monetary component at an annual event. I'm not speaking of sustainable fundi

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Ekaitz Zarraga
On 2024-10-25 11:11, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: Steve George writes: One concern with supporting developers is whether it demotivates them in the long-term: from intrinsic to extrinisic motivation. Basically, the answer is that pay doesn't motivate but it does 'enable' for committed contributors: t

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Steve George writes: > One concern with supporting developers is whether it demotivates them > in the long-term: from intrinsic to extrinisic motivation. Basically, > the answer is that pay doesn't motivate but it does 'enable' for > committed contributors: the Linux foundation survey shows this,

Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-25 Thread Steve George
Hi, On 25 Oct, Ekaitz Zarraga wrote: (...) > I think we should try to invest more on the people, and that probably means > paying them for the work they do. At least to some, so they can invest more > time and care in others. (...) > Many people has been thanklessly working for this project, and

Discussion on Guix funding // future

2024-10-24 Thread Ekaitz Zarraga
Hi, Recently I've been discussing with other members of the Guix community about several things we consider we could be improved. The most important one in my opinion is the funding. I don't know (does anybody know?) how Guix is funded, and it worries me. I've been funded to work on the boo