Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread MSavoritias
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:41:33 +0200 Simon Tournier wrote: > Hi MSavoritias, all, > > Let me provide more context. > > The concern started couple of months ago, to my knowledge. And > discussion is still on going. So I think that’s incorrect to say “any > result for over 6 months”. Hey Simon,

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread MSavoritias
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:46:08 +0200 Ekaitz Zarraga wrote: > On 2024-06-19 12:25, raingl...@riseup.net wrote: > > On 2024-06-19 11:54, Efraim Flashner wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:13:38PM +0300, MSavoritias wrote: > >> ... > >> One of our packages, dbxfs, left Github a while ago and con

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread MSavoritias
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 19:56:26 -0700 Felix Lechner wrote: > Hi MSavoritias, > > On Wed, Jun 19 2024, MSavoritias wrote: > > > I am not interested what the states or licenses/copyrights allow or > > don't allow in this case. What I care about is what we expect as a > > community when we submit a p

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
Hi MSavoritias, On Wed, Jun 19 2024, MSavoritias wrote: > I am not interested what the states or licenses/copyrights allow or > don't allow in this case. What I care about is what we expect as a > community when we submit a package/code to guix and if that violates > our social rules and expectat

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread Ekaitz Zarraga
On 2024-06-19 12:25, raingl...@riseup.net wrote: On 2024-06-19 11:54, Efraim Flashner wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:13:38PM +0300, MSavoritias wrote: ... One of our packages, dbxfs, left Github a while ago and continued development on a different forge. They adjusted their README to disallow

Starting a Quality Assurance Meeting/Team/Sociocracy circle

2024-06-19 Thread Christopher Baines
Hey! Following on from the governance discussion at the Guix Days earlier this year, I'm not sure what progress has been made. I'd still like to get the QA stuff in to a more sustainable state, whether that means shutting things down or moving the services to be run by the project/Guix Foundation

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread Simon Tournier
Hi MSavoritias, all, Let me provide more context. The concern started couple of months ago, to my knowledge. And discussion is still on going. So I think that’s incorrect to say “any result for over 6 months”. Moreover, I feel you have a misunderstanding about HuggingFace and SWH partnership.

Re: Cleaning up branches on savannah

2024-06-19 Thread Christopher Baines
Christopher Baines writes: > The following branches all seem to have commits that haven't made it to > master yet, although I haven't checked if the changes were applied but > just with different commit ids. > > - gnuzilla-updates > - go-team > - haskell-team > - hurd-team > - install-doc-ov

Re: Cleaning up branches on savannah

2024-06-19 Thread Christopher Baines
Mark H Weaver writes: > Hi Christopher, > > Christopher Baines writes: > >> I think the easy process change is to delete the gnuzilla-updates branch >> once you've pushed the chagnes to master. That should make it clearer >> that there's effectively nothing on that branch. > > Okay, I'll do that

Re: qa.guix delays in processing patches

2024-06-19 Thread Christopher Baines
Ludovic Courtès writes: > Hi Philip, > > "Philip McGrath" skribis: > >> For some reason QA still doesn't seem to be working for >> https://issues.guix.gnu.org/71203 (a Racket update I sent on May >> 26), which I suspect may be related to this. Could someone take a >> look? >> >> The page at http

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread MSavoritias
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 12:54:30 +0300 Efraim Flashner wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:13:38PM +0300, MSavoritias wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:52:36 +0200 > > Simon Tournier wrote: > > > > > Hi Ian, all, > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 at 10:57, Ian Eure wrote: > > > > I think that LLM

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread raingloom
On 2024-06-18 20:08, Ian Eure wrote: > Andy Tai writes: > >> What is the role of GNU Guix in this? If Guix is mainly a referral >> mechanism like web page links to the actual contents, the real problem >> is not Guix but the use of free software which can be obtained via >> other mechanisms direc

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread raingloom
On 2024-06-19 11:54, Efraim Flashner wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:13:38PM +0300, MSavoritias wrote: > ... > One of our packages, dbxfs, left Github a while ago and continued > development on a different forge. They adjusted their README to disallow > hosting of their code on Github. Based on

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread Efraim Flashner
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 11:37:17AM +0300, MSavoritias wrote: > Hello, > So with that said I urge anybody who has been in contact with them in > an official Guix capacity to come forward, otherwise I can volunteer to > be that. Idk if we have a community outreach thing I need to be in also > for th

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread Efraim Flashner
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 10:01:43AM +0300, MSavoritias wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:31:02 -0400 > Greg Hogan wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 12:33 PM MSavoritias > > wrote: > > > > > > > If you feel that LLMs/AI are violating the terms of a license, then > > feel free to pursue that thr

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread Efraim Flashner
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:13:38PM +0300, MSavoritias wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:52:36 +0200 > Simon Tournier wrote: > > > Hi Ian, all, > > > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 at 10:57, Ian Eure wrote: > > > > > Guix is continuing to partner with SWH in spite of their continued > > > support of thes

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread MSavoritias
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:52:36 +0200 Simon Tournier wrote: > Hi Ian, all, > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 at 10:57, Ian Eure wrote: > > > Guix is continuing to partner with SWH in spite of their continued > > support of these violations. > > Quickly because I am in the middle of a busy day. :-) Hey

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread Simon Tournier
Hi Ian, all, On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 at 10:57, Ian Eure wrote: > Guix is continuing to partner with SWH in spite of their continued > support of these violations. Quickly because I am in the middle of a busy day. :-) I think that LLM asks ethical and legal question that even FSF or EFF or SFC doe

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-19 Thread MSavoritias
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:31:02 -0400 Greg Hogan wrote: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 12:33 PM MSavoritias > wrote: > > > > Ah it seems I wasn't clear enough. > > I meant write something like: > > > > By packaging a software project for Guix you are exposing said > > software to a code harvesting proje