Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-18 Thread Mark H Weaver
Hi Jan, Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: > Mark H Weaver writes: > >> Andy Wingo writes: >>> Before the RMS/GNU/FSF conversation started, Mark Weaver left Guile, for >>> essentially unrelated reasons. He threatened to leave because he wished >>> to be consulted before I landed mixed definitions and e

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-18 Thread Mikael Djurfeldt
For what it's worth: Then I of course retract what I said about RMS not showing good leadership by not consulting with Andy and Ludovic. I still support the initiative to find a new governing structure for GNU. Note also that both the GNU maintainers statement and RMS himself talk about new govern

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-18 Thread Alex Sassmannshausen
Hi Mikhail, Mikhail Kryshen writes: > Andy, > > If you've long had issues with RMS, then why do you still want to be > with GNU? You don't have to participate in GNU to be part of the free > software movement. Is it that you see GNU as an important platform for > your political activism? Is i

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-18 Thread Alex Sassmannshausen
Hello, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) writes: > This is very sad. I appreciate the enormous time investments of all > of you for Guile. When you make a decision, I hope you understand the > other. > > Regards, > Florian Many incredibly thoughtful emails have been sent to the mailing list on this

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-18 Thread Tadeus Prastowo
> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 at 5:17 AM > From: "Richard Stallman" [...] > Please don't ask for a fork in Guix. Forking is not a desirable > outcome. Would you agree to abolish the Chief GNUisance role in favor of their proposal of having "GNU maintainers to collectively decide about the

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-18 Thread Christopher Lemmer Webber
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: > Mark H Weaver writes: > >> Andy Wingo writes: >>> Before the RMS/GNU/FSF conversation started, Mark Weaver left Guile, for >>> essentially unrelated reasons. He threatened to leave because he wished >>> to be consulted before I landed mixed definitions and expressions

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-18 Thread Mark H Weaver
Hi Christopher, Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote: > I think *RMS's* action of unilaterally re-appointing Mark without > notifying or asking the other maintainers Did you not see my recent correction about this? I CC'd you, but maybe something went wrong. Please see: https://lists.gnu.org/arc

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-18 Thread Mark H Weaver
[resending with fixed headers, for proper threading] Hi Christopher, Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote: > I think *RMS's* action of unilaterally re-appointing Mark without > notifying or asking the other maintainers Did you not see my recent correction about this? I CC'd you, but maybe something

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-18 Thread Christopher Lemmer Webber
Mark H Weaver writes: > [resending with fixed headers, for proper threading] > > Hi Christopher, > > Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote: >> I think *RMS's* action of unilaterally re-appointing Mark without >> notifying or asking the other maintainers > > Did you not see my recent correction about th

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-18 Thread Thompson, David
On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 9:33 AM Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote: > > Mark H Weaver writes: > > > [resending with fixed headers, for proper threading] > > > > Hi Christopher, > > > > Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote: > >> I think *RMS's* action of unilaterally re-appointing Mark without > >> notify

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-18 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi Mark, Mark H Weaver skribis: > RMS has not yet appointed me as a co-maintainer. To my knowledge, the > only thing he has done so far is to *ask* me if I wanted to be appointed > co-maintainer. I answered "yes", but I've not yet received any further > messages from him on this topic. I also

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-18 Thread pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:29:35AM +, Todor Kondić wrote: > You know, there is a big IT department within our institution and telling > them I will base some serious work on technologies such as GNU Guile and > Guix did raise a few eyebrows (those not raised are probably the cause of > thei

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-18 Thread Mikhail Kryshen
Alex Sassmannshausen writes: > Hi Mikhail, > > Mikhail Kryshen writes: > >> Andy, >> >> If you've long had issues with RMS, then why do you still want to be >> with GNU? You don't have to participate in GNU to be part of the free >> software movement. Is it that you see GNU as an important pla