Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-10-01 Thread Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
Arne Babenhauserheide writes: > Am Mittwoch, 30. September 2015, 09:58:32 schrieb Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı > /Kammer: >> Exactly, I agree. It should be noted though that some things can be >> implemented purely as portable libraries, so there needn't be a Request >> For Implementations to do it, w

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-10-01 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Arne Babenhauserheide : > Making Scheme as usable as Python requires finding an elegance which > fits Scheme and allows creating applications at least as easily as > with Python — but not necessarily in the same style. The main thing is to keep the S expressions' data/code duality. Python doesn't

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-10-01 Thread Panicz Maciej Godek
2015-10-01 0:16 GMT+02:00 Arne Babenhauserheide : > Am Mittwoch, 30. September 2015, 08:39:44 schrieb Panicz Maciej Godek: > > > > others), then it would be most harmful to the Scheme community, > because > > > > that would increase code enthropy and force programmer to make an > > > > irrelevant

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-10-01 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Mittwoch, 30. September 2015, 08:39:44 schrieb Panicz Maciej Godek: > > > others), then it would be most harmful to the Scheme community, because > > > that would increase code enthropy and force programmer to make an > > > irrelevant choice. > > > > It’s no more irrelevant than the choice betwe

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-10-01 Thread Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
Mark H Weaver writes: > taylanbayi...@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bayırlı/Kammer") writes: > >> I've made pretty fine experiences with R7RS-small so far[0][1][2][3], >> and after seeing people's disdain towards R7RS-large's direction and >> agreeing with them (although I wouldn't trust my own judgm

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-10-01 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Mittwoch, 30. September 2015, 09:58:32 schrieb Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı /Kammer: > Exactly, I agree. It should be noted though that some things can be > implemented purely as portable libraries, so there needn't be a Request > For Implementations to do it, whereas some other things, which I call >

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-10-01 Thread Mark H Weaver
taylanbayi...@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bayırlı/Kammer") writes: > I've made pretty fine experiences with R7RS-small so far[0][1][2][3], > and after seeing people's disdain towards R7RS-large's direction and > agreeing with them (although I wouldn't trust my own judgment alone), > I've decided to

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-30 Thread Panicz Maciej Godek
2015-09-30 1:44 GMT+02:00 Arne Babenhauserheide : > Am Mittwoch, 30. September 2015, 01:02:50 schrieb Panicz Maciej Godek: > > 2015-09-29 22:05 GMT+02:00 Arne Babenhauserheide : > > > I wrote SRFI-119, not because I want Scheme to become more like > > > Python, but because I want it to *look* more

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-30 Thread Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
Arne Babenhauserheide writes: > [...] The best language for any job is the one which provides the > solution off-the-shelf. SRFIs could give Scheme such solutions, and > the flexibility of Scheme would allow making these solutions much more > elegant than what can be created with Python. > > But

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-30 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Mittwoch, 30. September 2015, 01:02:50 schrieb Panicz Maciej Godek: > 2015-09-29 22:05 GMT+02:00 Arne Babenhauserheide : > > I wrote SRFI-119, not because I want Scheme to become more like > > Python, but because I want it to *look* more like Python while > > retaining its strengths. > If you a

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-30 Thread Panicz Maciej Godek
2015-09-29 22:05 GMT+02:00 Arne Babenhauserheide : > Am Montag, 28. September 2015, 22:02:42 schrieb Panicz Maciej Godek: > > Even within the Scheme community there appear voices complaining on the > > Lisp syntax, like SRFI-105, SRFI-110 or SRFI-119. > > I wrote SRFI-119, not because I want Schem

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-30 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Sonntag, 27. September 2015, 21:00:46 schrieb Panicz Maciej Godek: > You wrote there, among others, that "with a little more work, standard > Scheme might actually become a language essentially as usable as Python and > the like". > > If you're looking for a language that is "as usable as Pytho

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-30 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Montag, 28. September 2015, 22:02:42 schrieb Panicz Maciej Godek: > Even within the Scheme community there appear voices complaining on the > Lisp syntax, like SRFI-105, SRFI-110 or SRFI-119. I wrote SRFI-119, not because I want Scheme to become more like Python, but because I want it to *look*

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-28 Thread Panicz Maciej Godek
2015-09-28 10:13 GMT+02:00 Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer < taylanbayi...@gmail.com>: > Panicz Maciej Godek writes: > > > > Maybe you should explain why there are so many implementations of > > Scheme in the first place? (That isn't the case for Python, Java or > > Perl) > > Because it's too easy t

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-28 Thread Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
Christopher Allan Webber writes: > Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer writes: > >> I will probably work on a delimited continuations SRFI, heavily inspired >> by Guile's call-with-prompt, since I find it *immensely* more easy to >> grok than shift/reset and prompt/control because those mingle together

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-28 Thread Christopher Allan Webber
Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer writes: > I will probably work on a delimited continuations SRFI, heavily inspired > by Guile's call-with-prompt, since I find it *immensely* more easy to > grok than shift/reset and prompt/control because those mingle together > the "stack slice" and the "handler" cod

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-28 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
taylanbayi...@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bayırlı/Kammer"): > So we are back to square one: anyone who wants to use Scheme for > something real needs to pick a specific implementation, Which is true for other programming languages as well: C, C++, Python, .. For me, in practice, C/C++ is gcc, Pyth

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-28 Thread Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
Marko Rauhamaa writes: > taylanbayi...@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bayırlı/Kammer"): > >> So we are back to square one: anyone who wants to use Scheme for >> something real needs to pick a specific implementation, > > Which is true for other programming languages as well: C, C++, Python, > .. > > F

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-28 Thread Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
Panicz Maciej Godek writes: > Even more broadly than the summaries I already gave, I could say: > I would like us to reach a state where one can think "I need to > write application X? Let's do it in Scheme since it's such a neat > language," and then proceed to install standard S

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-27 Thread Panicz Maciej Godek
> > > > I've made pretty fine experiences with R7RS-small so far[0][1][2] > > [3], and after seeing people's disdain towards R7RS-large's > > direction and agreeing with them (although I wouldn't trust my own > > judgment alone), I've decided to try pushing R7RS-large in a > > s

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-27 Thread Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
Panicz Maciej Godek writes: > Hi, > while I have nothing to say regarding the details of your SRFI, I find > some of your motivations questionable, and therefore I decided to > write this reply. Forgive the somewhat "negative" tone of this e-mail, > despite my intentions being positive. Hi, no p

Re: Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-27 Thread Panicz Maciej Godek
Hi, while I have nothing to say regarding the details of your SRFI, I find some of your motivations questionable, and therefore I decided to write this reply. Forgive the somewhat "negative" tone of this e-mail, despite my intentions being positive. > I've made pretty fine experiences with R7RS-s

Request for feedback on SRFI-126

2015-09-27 Thread Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
Hello Guile folks, I've made pretty fine experiences with R7RS-small so far[0][1][2][3], and after seeing people's disdain towards R7RS-large's direction and agreeing with them (although I wouldn't trust my own judgment alone), I've decided to try pushing R7RS-large in a somewhat better direction.