Re: I have a problem

2011-05-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Benjamin Otte wrote: > That said, let me get into how I think this whole interaction between > designers and developers should work inside GTK. I envision the design > process for new widgets or interactions to go something like this: > 1) GNOME designers come up

Re: I have a problem

2011-05-30 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 01:53 +0300, Andrew W. Nosenko wrote: > 1. how I can to hover using touch screen? You may not be able to (I don't know if X on your touch screen would emit proximity events). In that case, those UIs that require hovering may indeed not be adequate for your touch screen. To

Re: I have a problem

2011-05-30 Thread Andrew W. Nosenko
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 23:33, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 23:01 +0200, Benjamin Otte wrote: >> * The text says "Highlight and symbolic icon on hover indicates that >> the item is actionable" >> So far we've not had icons anywhere in GTK that only show up on hover. >> Is

Re: I have a problem

2011-05-30 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 23:01 +0200, Benjamin Otte wrote: > And I'm somewhat lost what to do then. Should I say yes > because it's a good widget to use in general? Should I say no, because > it shouldn't be used? What are the features and behaviors I have to > look out for in those widgets so they e

Re: I have a problem

2011-05-30 Thread Benjamin Otte
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Benjamin Otte wrote: > > this is a cart vs. horse problem. > > i think you're absolutely correct that functionally, this is identical > to a notebook. but there's function, and there's design. > > this design ca

Re: I have a problem

2011-05-29 Thread Christian Hergert
On May 28, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Benjamin Otte wrote: > * There's button(s) that say ( Notes | Edit ) > How are these buttons different from notebooks? Is it just visually > different or is it a completely different interaction? Because from > the interaction described it looks like a notebook to me,

Re: I have a problem

2011-05-29 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le samedi 28 mai 2011 à 19:06 -0400, Paul Davis a écrit : > this is a cart vs. horse problem. > > i think you're absolutely correct that functionally, this is identical > to a notebook. but there's function, and there's design. > > this design calls for an alignment of UI elements that isn't poss

Re: I have a problem

2011-05-29 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi Benjamin; On 28 May 2011 22:01, Benjamin Otte wrote: > Hey, > > I have a problem. I've not talked about this a lot, but it has crept > up in my work of trying to improve GTK. It's the problem with how I > see developers in GNOME currently approach developing the us

Re: I have a problem

2011-05-28 Thread Paul Davis
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Colomban Wendling wrote: > Le 29/05/2011 01:06, Paul Davis a écrit : >> this design calls for an alignment of UI elements that isn't possible >> to accomplish with the current widget set (how would you get that More >> combo/menubar/button into the tab list?). > >

Re: I have a problem

2011-05-28 Thread Colomban Wendling
Le 29/05/2011 01:06, Paul Davis a écrit : > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Benjamin Otte wrote: > > so lets take this particular point as an example of what i think the > basic problem is here: > >> * There's button(s) that say ( Notes | Edit ) >> How are these buttons different from notebook

Re: I have a problem

2011-05-28 Thread Dylan McCall
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Benjamin Otte wrote: > … > * There's button(s) that say  ( Notes | Edit ) > How are these buttons different from notebooks? Is it just visually > different or is it a completely different interaction? Because from > the interaction described it looks like a noteboo

Re: I have a problem

2011-05-28 Thread Paul Davis
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Benjamin Otte wrote: so lets take this particular point as an example of what i think the basic problem is here: > * There's button(s) that say  ( Notes | Edit ) > How are these buttons different from notebooks? Is it just visually > different or is it a complete

I have a problem

2011-05-28 Thread Benjamin Otte
Hey, I have a problem. I've not talked about this a lot, but it has crept up in my work of trying to improve GTK. It's the problem with how I see developers in GNOME currently approach developing the user interfaces for their applications. I have a feeling it goes something like this: