On Thursday 13 December 2007 08:28, Dan H wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:26:25 -0700
> Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > GTKmm is based on some very nice C++ abstractions around pointers,
> > providing many of the same benefits as any managed language with
> > pure C++. They are cal
On Wednesday 12 December 2007 15:19, Dan H wrote:
> Jon Harrop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My recommendation is to choose a garbage collected language for GUI
> > work as it makes everything so much easier. Lots of GCd languages
> > have GTK bindings these days.
>
> Just for the record, garbage
On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 22:06 +0100, Dan H wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:40:41 -0700
> Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Dan H wrote:
>
> > > Isn't "smart pointers" just a reference counting scheme?
> >
> > Yup. Poor-man's garbage collection. Turns out to be just the
> > ticke
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:40:41 -0700
Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dan H wrote:
> > Isn't "smart pointers" just a reference counting scheme?
>
> Yup. Poor-man's garbage collection. Turns out to be just the
> ticket, though, for GUI programming. Because of that, I'd put
> product
Dan H wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:26:25 -0700
> Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> GTKmm is based on some very nice C++ abstractions around pointers,
>> providing many of the same benefits as any managed language with
>> pure C++. They are called smart pointers and for GUI devel
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:26:25 -0700
Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> GTKmm is based on some very nice C++ abstractions around pointers,
> providing many of the same benefits as any managed language with
> pure C++. They are called smart pointers and for GUI development,
> they work ve
Jon Harrop wrote:
> On Saturday 24 November 2007 22:11, Patrick wrote:
>> I thought that C++ must be the way to go as it can do everything that C
>> can "plus plus" but some heavy hitters don't seem enthused with it,
>> Linus Torvalds in particular has been quoted as calling it a "horrible
>> langu
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:48:05 +
Jon Harrop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My recommendation is to choose a garbage collected language for GUI
> work as it makes everything so much easier. Lots of GCd languages
> have GTK bindings these days.
Just for the record, garbage collection (which is a go
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 16:48 +, Jon Harrop wrote:
> On Saturday 24 November 2007 22:11, Patrick wrote:
> > I thought that C++ must be the way to go as it can do everything that C
> > can "plus plus" but some heavy hitters don't seem enthused with it,
> > Linus Torvalds in particular has been quo
On Saturday 24 November 2007 22:11, Patrick wrote:
> I thought that C++ must be the way to go as it can do everything that C
> can "plus plus" but some heavy hitters don't seem enthused with it,
> Linus Torvalds in particular has been quoted as calling it a "horrible
> language".
IIRC, Linus said
On Saturday 24 November 2007 22:11, Patrick wrote:
> Hi Everyone.
>
> Sorry for the flame war bait, I know how passionate language debates
> get but I need some guidance. I am using PyGTK right now and I am happy
> with it, but a day is coming soon were the speed limitations...
You might like to
Alan Lake escreveu:
> The question is, "Do you want to drive a car, customize a car or design a
> car?" None is better than
> the others. They are different disciplines.
>
Hi, I think like you. The best language is the one you know and solves
your problem. See aMSN, where his mentor only stud
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:12:17 -0800 (PST)
JAMES SCOTT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I have to write in C, Glib is a godsend.
Yes! When I came back to C from C++ (I had done a large project for which C++
was ideally suited, but I like C much better) the thing I missed most was the
STL. I was
n Finland.
Alan
JAMES SCOTT wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Thanks for the feedback, it seems we are on the same page on several counts.
>
> James,
> - Original Message
> From: Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: gtk-app-devel-list@gnome.org
> Sent: Monday, Nove
Michael,
Thanks for the feedback, it seems we are on the same page on several counts.
James,
- Original Message
From: Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: gtk-app-devel-list@gnome.org
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 5:32:22 PM
Subject: Re: C vs C++ for GTK
JAMES SCOTT
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 12:04 +0100, Dan H wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:03:14 +0100
> Tomas Carnecky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Am I limited with C?
> > No, there are very few features in C++ that are hard/impossible to
> > imitate in C, but you usually won't need those for small project
JAMES SCOTT wrote:
> To list members following this subject: I have a question - not a
> flame, as I try to understand the diversity of responses to this
> topic.
>
> How many of you who have suggested "Patrick" learn something other
> than C, know C already for yourself. Over the course of my
>
Hi Micheal
Indeed, good advice!
I am planning on using Python for everything I can. I just need a little
extra speed for data collection and threading during collection.
I think I will learn C so that I can re-use code from other open source
projects.
All of this advice has been great, thanks
Patrick wrote:
> Hi Everyone.
>
> Sorry for the flame war bait, I know how passionate language debates
> get but I need some guidance. I am using PyGTK right now and I am happy
> with it, but a day is coming soon were the speed limitations and
> less-then-straight-forward threading will be an
Benoît Dejean wrote:
>> In fact the GObject library (on which GTK is based) is an example of
>> how full object-orientation can be achieved in C. Of course other C++
>> features like templates, operator overloading (ugh!) and namespaces
>> are unique.
>
> This is totally a blocker for beginners
Le lundi 26 novembre 2007 à 12:04 +0100, Dan H a écrit :
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:03:14 +0100
> Tomas Carnecky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Am I limited with C?
> > No, there are very few features in C++ that are hard/impossible to
> > imitate in C, but you usually won't need those for smal
Le lundi 26 novembre 2007 à 08:39 +, Neil Bird a écrit :
> Around about 25/11/07 12:31, Benoît Dejean typed ...
> > I've switched gnome-system-monitor to C++ and i'm very happy with it.
>
>Just out of interest, did you choose GTKmm or C++ with vanilla GTK+?
As i didn't start from scratch
Le dimanche 25 novembre 2007 à 10:47 +0100, Tomas Carnecky a écrit :
> Allin Cottrell wrote:
> > One reason for going with C is that the great bulk of free
> > software is in C, including GLib and GTK. The main exception
> > is Qt, the basis for KDE. So if you might want to get into KDE
> > p
Le lundi 26 novembre 2007 à 15:56 +0100, Fernando Apesteguía a écrit :
> On 11/25/07, Benoît Dejean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I've switched gnome-system-monitor to C++ and i'm very happy with it.
It's still 95% Gtk + 5% Gtkmm
> Two questions about the sentence above:
>
> - What improve
On 11/25/07, Benoît Dejean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Le dimanche 25 novembre 2007 à 00:03 +0100, Tomas Carnecky a écrit :
> > Patrick wrote:
> > > is C++ to complicated?
> > C++ is more complex than C, and thus harder to fully understand.
> >
> > > Is C going out of date?
> > No, it's still be
2007/11/24, Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hi Patrick,
> I can only spend 8-12 hours a week programming, I am not a professional
> programmer, is C++ to complicated? Is C going out of date? Am I limited
> with C?
Before to switch to a new language are you sure that python is so slow
that you can't
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:03:14 +0100
Tomas Carnecky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Am I limited with C?
> No, there are very few features in C++ that are hard/impossible to
> imitate in C, but you usually won't need those for small projects.
In fact the GObject library (on which GTK is based) is an
Around about 25/11/07 12:31, Benoît Dejean typed ...
> I've switched gnome-system-monitor to C++ and i'm very happy with it.
Just out of interest, did you choose GTKmm or C++ with vanilla GTK+?
I'm looking at doing some GTK from C++ (I've previously only really used
GTK+ from C), and on th
Le dimanche 25 novembre 2007 à 00:03 +0100, Tomas Carnecky a écrit :
> Patrick wrote:
> > is C++ to complicated?
> C++ is more complex than C, and thus harder to fully understand.
>
> > Is C going out of date?
> No, it's still being used for lots of projects.
>
> > Am I limited with C?
> No, th
Tomas Carnecky wrote:
> Allin Cottrell wrote:
>> One reason for going with C is that the great bulk of free
>> software is in C, including GLib and GTK. The main exception
>> is Qt, the basis for KDE. So if you might want to get into KDE
>> programming, maybe learning C++ would be better.
>
>
Allin Cottrell wrote:
> One reason for going with C is that the great bulk of free
> software is in C, including GLib and GTK. The main exception
> is Qt, the basis for KDE. So if you might want to get into KDE
> programming, maybe learning C++ would be better.
You can use gtk in C++, there's
Patrick wrote:
> Hi Allin
>
> I have no interest in QT.
>
> Your points are very strong.
>
> If most of the free/libre software is in C then I better stick with C,
> especially if learning C++ does not guarantee an understanding of
> plain C.
>
> Thanks very much for your help, it's easy to keep
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007, Patrick wrote:
> Sorry for the flame war bait, I know how passionate language debates
> get but I need some guidance. I am using PyGTK right now and I am happy
> with it, but a day is coming soon were the speed limitations and
> less-then-straight-forward threading will be
Not trying to start a language flame war but I always prefer Ada. And
no it hasn't gone
away either! ;-)
Chris
> Patrick wrote:
>
>> is C++ to complicated?
>>
> C++ is more complex than C, and thus harder to fully understand.
>
>
>> Is C going out of date?
>>
> No, it's still be
Patrick wrote:
> is C++ to complicated?
C++ is more complex than C, and thus harder to fully understand.
> Is C going out of date?
No, it's still being used for lots of projects.
> Am I limited with C?
No, there are very few features in C++ that are hard/impossible to
imitate in C, but you usual
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