Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-20 Thread Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
Brendan Trotter wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko > wrote: > >> Brendan Trotter wrote: >> No. Usuable means only that firmware isn't destroyed. Any device may be in a different state >>> Any device (that the firmware as

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-20 Thread Brendan Trotter
Hi, On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: > Brendan Trotter wrote: >>> No. Usuable means only that firmware isn't destroyed. Any device may >>> be in a different state >> >> Any device (that the firmware assumes is in a certain state) may be >> left in a different

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-19 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 04:27 +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Robert Millan wrote: > > Anyhow, my priority for GRUB is strong driver-based support. We could > > recruit > > someone to develop the framework in next year's GSoC (unless somebody steps > > in, of cours

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-19 Thread Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
Brendan Trotter wrote: >> No. Usuable means only that firmware isn't destroyed. Any device may >> be in a different state >> > > Any device (that the firmware assumes is in a certain state) may be > left in a different state (that the firmware no longer knows about)? > > For a very simple exam

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-15 Thread Brendan Trotter
Hi, On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Brendan Trotter wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko >> wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Brendan Trotter >>> wrote: On Tue, Sep 15,

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-15 Thread Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Brendan Trotter wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko > wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Brendan Trotter wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Pavel Roskin wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 04:27 +0930,

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-14 Thread Brendan Trotter
Hi, On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 09:26:55AM +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: >> An OS could choose to use the information provided by GRUB, or choose >> to ignore the information provided by GRUB. > > Sure, but the less code that needs to go in the b

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 09:26:55AM +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: > An OS could choose to use the information provided by GRUB, or choose > to ignore the information provided by GRUB. Sure, but the less code that needs to go in the boot loader the better. > Assuming GRUB implements something that

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-14 Thread Brendan Trotter
Hi, On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Colin Watson wrote: > I don't have relevant experience regarding multiboot in general, but ... > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:53:12AM +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: >> The same would apply to internationalization - GRUB should tell the OS >> which language/loca

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-14 Thread Colin Watson
I don't have relevant experience regarding multiboot in general, but ... On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:53:12AM +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: > The same would apply to internationalization - GRUB should tell the OS > which language/locale it used, so that the OS can automatically use > the same langua

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-14 Thread Brendan Trotter
Hi, On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Brendan Trotter wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Pavel Roskin wrote: >>> On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 04:27 +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: >>> We are already doing it. There is funct

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-14 Thread Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Brendan Trotter wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Pavel Roskin wrote: >> On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 04:27 +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Robert Millan wrote: >>> > Well, you have the freedom to disagree

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-14 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/9/14 Brendan Trotter : > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Pavel Roskin wrote: >> On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 04:27 +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Robert Millan wrote: >>> > Well, you have the freedom to disagree with anything we do and bring

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-14 Thread Brendan Trotter
Hi, On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Pavel Roskin wrote: > On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 04:27 +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Robert Millan wrote: >> > Well, you have the freedom to disagree with anything we do and bring your >> > customized GRUB to a differe

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-14 Thread Pavel Roskin
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 04:27 +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Robert Millan wrote: > > Well, you have the freedom to disagree with anything we do and bring your > > customized GRUB to a different direction :-) > > > > Anyhow, my priority for GRUB is strong d

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-14 Thread Brendan Trotter
Hi, On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Robert Millan wrote: > Well, you have the freedom to disagree with anything we do and bring your > customized GRUB to a different direction :-) > > Anyhow, my priority for GRUB is strong driver-based support. We could recruit > someone to develop the framewor

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-14 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 01:54:33PM -0700, Seth Goldberg wrote: > > > Quoting Robert Millan, who wrote the following on Sat, 12 Sep 2009: > >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 02:07:10PM -0700, Seth Goldberg wrote: >>> >>> I strongly disagree with you in this specific case. Our experience in >>> Solaris h

Re: About firmware facilities

2009-09-13 Thread Seth Goldberg
Quoting Robert Millan, who wrote the following on Sat, 12 Sep 2009: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 02:07:10PM -0700, Seth Goldberg wrote: I strongly disagree with you in this specific case. Our experience in Solaris has demonstrated that PXE firmware is surprisingly robust (when the right combin

About firmware facilities

2009-09-12 Thread Robert Millan
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 02:07:10PM -0700, Seth Goldberg wrote: > > I strongly disagree with you in this specific case. Our experience in > Solaris has demonstrated that PXE firmware is surprisingly robust (when > the right combination of API calls (i.e. those tested by Windows) are > used).