[groff] [UTROFF] Utmac-0.4

2017-11-28 Thread Pierre-Jean
ls and technical designs of Utmac. Kind Regards, Pierre-Jean.

[groff] [UTMAC] Layout and Typography

2017-11-29 Thread Pierre-Jean
Hello alls, As promised, here is my first article about Utmac. The goal is not to convince you to use utmac, but simply to discuss about writing macros for troff. Today, I’ll discuss about typography and layout. Utmac aims to produce beautiful documents, and I tried to respect some of the good pr

[groff] [UTROFF] Pagraph at once adjustment

2017-11-30 Thread Pierre-Jean
f commands. Hopefully, once ported to neatroff, it should be easy to achieve compatibility with groff. On my next mail, I’ll probably talk about fonts. Kind Regards, Pierre-Jean.

[groff] [UTROFF] About fonts

2017-12-01 Thread Pierre-Jean
ubscript .ds L \\ER’f-f 4-\\En[f-f]’\\f[\\E*[f-l]] .\" Final glyphs .ds F \\ER’f-f 5-\\En[f-f]’\\f[\\E*[f-l]] While the system may seem complex, it works perfectly, and has a very simple user interface. It also comes with another advantage: it is now easy to create xml documents from troff sources. But that will be for my next topic! Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] [UTROFF] About fonts

2017-12-02 Thread Pierre-Jean
L out of a *roff file, you have > something > worth looking at! If not today, I'll write about this tomorrow! Thank you for your remarks, Pierre-Jean.

[groff] [UTROFF] Troff and xml

2017-12-02 Thread Pierre-Jean
cale -mux | postxml > f.xml xsltproc utohtml.xsl f.xml > f.html xsltproc utofodt.xsl f.xml > f.fodt Since I believe you want to have a look at the result, you will find, joined to this mail, its xml, html, and fodt versions as produced by this system (which reveals the fodt code b

Re: [groff] [UTROFF] Troff and xml

2017-12-02 Thread Pierre-Jean
For some reason, the html file was not joined, here it is... Pierre-Jean

Re: [groff] [UTROFF] Troff and xml

2017-12-02 Thread Pierre-Jean
Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > Pierre-Jean wrote: > |For some reason, the html file was not joined, here it is... > > No it is not. Maybe your mailer is the cause.. Or the used > version! It seems to be removed by the mailing list server, since I received it on my self se

Re: [groff] [UTROFF] Troff and xml

2017-12-03 Thread Pierre-Jean
TML we want to see, not the > rendering of it. Here it is, thank you Ralph! Pierre-Jean. http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>Utroff Hello alls, Resuming my little sery of articles, I am explaining today how Utmac is linked to

[groff] [UTROFF] references, summary, index

2017-12-04 Thread Pierre-Jean
t can be used to help people create summaries of paper books. The procedure is explained on the manual of idx <http://utroff.org/man/idx.html>. On my next, and hopefully last, mail about Utmac, I will effectively discuss about goodies. Kind Regards, Pierre-Jean.

[groff] [UTROFF] conclusion

2017-12-05 Thread Pierre-Jean
century needs. Kind Regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] A macro package for lists in TROFF

2017-12-05 Thread Pierre-Jean
choose a license? Because in most jurisdiction, the absence of license is far more restricting than any license you could choose: the default copyright is applied, and would'nt even allow us to copy the sources. Kind Regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] [UTROFF] conclusion

2017-12-05 Thread Pierre-Jean
mances of the pre- and post- processors, configurability, layout, syntax, and a myriad of other things. All those things considered the couple groff/mom is a very solid choice. Kind Regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] [UTROFF] references, summary, index

2017-12-06 Thread Pierre-Jean
x27;\*[sum-list]' | od -c > $ > $ nroff -U foo > 000 W e d 6 D e c 1 4 : 4 7 > 020 : 3 1 G M T 2 0 1 7 \n > 035 > $ That's a bit annoying: I did not use .write because it is not implemented in neatroff... But I'm underdestanding I should better use it, and reserve the possible issue of .sy to neatroff only. Thank you, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] [UTROFF] conclusion

2017-12-06 Thread Pierre-Jean
Ralph Corderoy writes: > > For my last mail about Utmac > Thanks, they've been interesting, and more digestible drip-fed over the > days than one long email. I'm glad to read that! Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] A macro package for lists in TROFF

2017-12-06 Thread Pierre-Jean
(".macro\ni", ".macro\nj"). > I'm not exactly sure how I found this ability, but I think I found it by > accident. I have the feeling I found it by accident too. Or maybe did I saw it in the macro ms... Kind Regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] [UTROFF] references, summary, index

2017-12-06 Thread Pierre-Jean
ze spaces, that pitfail would become much less visible, if visible at all, on a pdf produced by heirloom troff. If it remains visible, and since there's no "page at once" feature in heirloom, it could only be solved by manual adjustment of interword space (.ss, .minss), and maybe by adj

Re: [groff] A macro package for lists in TROFF

2017-12-08 Thread Pierre-Jean
Hello alls, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Today, m4(1) is still around from that era, along with troff, and is > worth examining. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_(computer_language) > autoconf and sendmail still use it. Thank you for the link. I am discovering it is worth examining indeed

Re: [groff] [Neatroff] arabic typesetting

2017-12-30 Thread Pierre-Jean
nstall manually a proper arabic font. To do so, put the font in the 'font' subdirectory, and run './fonts.sh' from there. If you don't receive more answer from this list, maybe could you write directly to Ali Gholami Rudi? His email is indicated at the bottom of his web site: http://litcave.rudi.ir Kind Regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] Macros in their own package ...

2018-03-21 Thread Pierre-Jean
;s, on github). > You’re missing neatroff — https://github.com/aligrudi/neatroff > > I think both Neatroff and Heirloom are based on Plan9, FWIW. As far as I know, Neatroff is not based on any other troff. It has been written from scratch. Kind regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] setting PD with ms macros has no apparent effect

2010-05-27 Thread Pierre-Jean
l mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > Hello, As far as I understand groff: The PD number register is used by the paragraphs macro of ms (PP, LP, QP, XP and probably IP). The .br operator break lines, but is not what ms consider as a new paragraph. PP is a paragraph style, .br is only a new line. In your test, you should replace .br by one of the paragraph macro. Pierre-Jean.

[Groff] .rd request

2010-06-09 Thread Pierre-Jean
with or without U and s arguments: cat bar | groff foo >foo.ps groff foo >foo.ps foo.ps Could someone give me another short example or some explanations? Thanks a lot! Pierre-Jean

Re: [Groff] .rd request

2010-06-09 Thread Pierre-Jean
Ralph Corderoy wrote: > > Hi Pierre-Jean, > > > Could someone give me another short example or some explanations? > > $ cat main.tr > A. > .rd ignored foo bar > B. > .rd > C. > .m > D. > $ cat data >

Re: [Groff] .rd request

2010-06-10 Thread Pierre-Jean
Ralph Corderoy wrote: > > printf 'foo\n\n' | nroff <(printf 'a\n.rd\nb\n') | grep . > > produces "a foo b". A friend's tried that on his ArchLinux and it also > works. Another friend has tried on OpenBSD and it works, but on > > Fedora, version 1.18.1.4 > > he gets "a b" which suggests

Re: [Groff] .rd request

2010-06-10 Thread Pierre-Jean
; | preconv -r ) Is it possible to pass the preconv "-r" option to groff? Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] opentype and postscript fonts

2010-09-02 Thread Pierre-Jean
ook at the place of the glyph in the font, where groff look at his name or at his code: the solution explained here is probably usefull for latex, but not for groff... Am I missing something? Should I ask help to the maintainer of lcdf-typetools? Thanks a lot for your help! Pierre-Jean

Re: [Groff] opentype and postscript fonts

2010-09-02 Thread Pierre-Jean
they are present, and described in the entity name field. One can repair the groff font file using that sed expression (if first field is "---", it is replaced it by the fourth one): sed -i -e " s/---\t\([^\t]*\)\t\([^\t]*\)\t\([^\t]*\)\t\(.*\)/\4\t\1\t\2\t\3\t\4/" \ groff_font_file Then we can use \[glyph_name] I'll make some tests and post a complete "how-to use opentype fonts" on the list. Thanks a lot! Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] opentype and postscript fonts

2010-09-03 Thread Pierre-Jean
7) Copy the script in a file named font2macro. font2macro need two argument: the name of the font (here it is "font") and the name of the subfont (here it is "R"). Launch it, wait a few, and test the new macro file: $ chmod u+x ./font2macro $ ./font2macro fontR $ groff testfile > test.ps 8) You should manually edit the macro file "font.tmac" to give a name to unnamed glyphs, and copy it in your tmac directory: $ cp font.tmac $GROFF_TMAC_PATH/ 9) Clean your dir: $ rm fontR $ rm font.afm $ rm font.pfa $ rm font.tmac $ rm test.ps $ rm lcdf-typetools*.tar.gz $ cd lcdf-typetools* $ make uninstall $ cd ../ $ rm -rf lcdf-typetools* 10) Use the features of your font this way: .do mso font.tmac .smcp My text in small caps. .S_smcp My text in normal caps. Enjoy! Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] opentype and postscript fonts

2010-09-05 Thread Pierre-Jean
It has more than 2400 glyphs and many glyph variants. Very nice font! My script works as expected with it. But, since it only deal with variants glyphs (named glyph.variation), a lot of things must be manually done: looking at the glyphs in the font, and building handy macro to access them easilly. Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] refer help

2010-09-05 Thread Pierre-Jean
ish it somewhere (but where?) in a few weeks (after some more tests and probably some fixes), but since it could help now, here it is (if the mailing list accept attachments). Comments and bugs are welcome. Pierre-Jean. isobib.tgz Description: Binary data

Re: [Groff] opentype and postscript fonts

2010-09-05 Thread Pierre-Jean
r usual fonts. So, fontforge produce better results than lcdf-typetools here. Thanks for your help and for the link to the Libertine font. Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] refer help

2010-09-06 Thread Pierre-Jean
your README and manpage. I'd be proud of that. But there's probably more work to do in that proofread that you can imagine. Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] Groff and ePub?

2010-12-18 Thread Pierre-Jean
2/ They could probably be usefull before using an html to epub tool, One such tool, simply named html2epub is for example given with Calibre: http://calibre-ebook.com/about Please, send your solution on the list if you find something usefull. Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] groff.texinfo - section 5.21 - sentence difficult to understand

2011-01-22 Thread Pierre-Jean
Ralph Graulich wrote: > "The optional second argument to de changes this to a macro to ‘.end’." > > For me this sentence is difficult to understand, although the meaning is > obvious. It was the same thing for me, I couldn't exactly understand this until I saw examples in om.tmac. But I'

Re: [Groff] groff.texinfo - section 5.21 - sentence difficult to understand

2011-01-22 Thread Pierre-Jean
econd argument is given to de (for exemple .de name end), the two dots must (can?) be replaced by this argument (.end in our example)." Or this: "The optional second argument to de define a replacement (substitution?) for the two dots." Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] gropdf and pdfroff

2011-07-28 Thread Pierre-Jean
ro. I think that doing like that is doing things "as soon as you can" and also "doing one thing but doing it well". Troff has been made for that, why not using it in that case? This is a real question, and this question is the reason of my present mail: Is there any reason why troff would not be able to do that well? Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] gropdf and pdfroff

2011-07-29 Thread Pierre-Jean
d troff, about one year ago. I hope to may write one - one day... Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] holistic widow elimination

2012-01-07 Thread Pierre-Jean
y macros. * It is now possible to find the best paragraph that should be modified to avoid widows and orphans: it's a long one, with the last word near the beginning or the end of the line, with no page break between him and the widow. * A filter could calculate that and add '.min

Re: [Groff] holistic widow elimination

2012-01-08 Thread Pierre-Jean
mething else? Would you be interested to work on that Werner? Is there a way to help? Last but not least, all this is not only a matter of taste, it's based on optic laws, and is a way of dealing with optic illusions. People who are making fonts are also dealing with optic illusions: to get a perfect visual alignment of glyphs, some must be higher than others. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] holistic widow elimination

2012-01-09 Thread Pierre-Jean
7;t exist in groff. tmac.srefs seems to be part of the plan9 troff. It is the code of tmac.s which format refer output. There is a modified version of it in Heirloom troff, which I join to this mail. It should be compatible with groff, if you use the corresponding pm macro, which I

Re: [Groff] Parsing specific section of man page

2012-01-23 Thread Pierre-Jean
ridiculous_fish wrote: > Our intent is to produce a shell with less internal complexity, and far less > user-facing > complexity, than popular shells. > Hello, I suppose that you know the shell fish: It's doing what you want concerning completion of options. You could have a look at it. It ha

Re: [Groff] Eric Raymond on groff and TeX

2012-05-08 Thread Pierre-Jean
off, but for most of the printers. The CSS style sheet *must* define if a tag is an inline or a block element to render properly an xhtml page - we usually forget this because most of the tags have a default definition. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

[Groff] Troff to xml

2012-06-13 Thread Pierre-Jean
f transforming troff to xml is the easiest one and the correct one. It's a troff way, because end user can build it's own xml macro, but it's also the xml way, because it let xml do the most difficult thing, say use some standart (like odt). As a proof of concept, here is a macro t

Re: [Groff] Troff to xml

2012-06-13 Thread Pierre-Jean
s and need something to translate my troff files to xml ; but I'll maybe try to hack doclifter for my needs. Last but not least, I'm happy to learn about pic2plot, to convert pic to svg. Does someone know if there's something for tbl? Thanks, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] Macro packages

2012-10-04 Thread Pierre-Jean
off) is that it's easy to create and hack macro. The disadvantage is that the macro you need probably doesn't exist yet. Less is more... > Sorry for my English, and thanks to all. Sorry for mine ! Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] Macro packages

2012-10-04 Thread Pierre-Jean
Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > Another factor is size. A modern latex > distribution, i.e. texlive is enormous. That's why some people are building the minimal Kertex distribution. They want Tex to be like Troff ! Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] Macro Packages

2012-10-08 Thread Pierre-Jean
ext processing. This is well explained in the introduction of _Unix Text Processing_, which relates this strange moment of our recent history: tools made to develop software can be used to write texts, because they have been made to manipulate the language using the language itself. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

[Groff] Vgrind and vfontedpr

2012-11-13 Thread Pierre-Jean
As you can see, these questions are absolutely essentials. I hope that a good english speaker could explain me what does that mean. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] Vgrind and vfontedpr

2012-11-14 Thread Pierre-Jean
re probably right. In one of the source file (regexp.c), a comment explain the situation: "loop till expression string is exhausted (or at least pretty tired)". That's maybe why the manual page says: "grind nice listings of programms". Thanks for your explanations, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] new groff-filenames.7 (roff filename extensions)

2013-01-23 Thread Pierre-Jean
a %. Here follow the refer.xml file which add this mime type, and a simple makefile to install it. Most of the translation should be corrected. I also have got a set of icons for troff files, based on a famous icon theme. I can share them if wanted. Cheers, Pierre-Jean. refer.xml Descr

Re: [Groff] new groff-filenames.7 (roff filename extensions)

2013-01-23 Thread Pierre-Jean
part of the definition of another file. WIth such a definition, Tex and Matlab files will not be recognized correctly if 1) they don't have extension, and 2) they only match the single "%" expression. Here is a corrected refer.xml, in wich the bug is fixed, and the priority defined to 40. Cheers, Pierre-Jean. refer.xml Description: XML document

Re: [Groff] how to use amsmath symbols ingroff␛

2013-02-04 Thread Pierre-Jean
Hello alls, It appears that I inserted some escape sequence in the content of my previous mail, which explain it appears empty. That was not my intention, of course. Here was my message, and sorry for the noise... Pierre-Jean. > Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote: > > > Also, how can

Re: [Groff] replicating official memo

2013-02-05 Thread Pierre-Jean
tnotes and headers. It's, in my opinion, the best troff documentation. The manual can be found on heirloom troff website (take care of some incompatibilities between heirloom troff and groff): http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/doctools/troff.pdf Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] refer how-to

2013-02-08 Thread Pierre-Jean
ef In both case, references not cited inline, but present in your bibliography file will appear in the bibliography list. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] groff_lilypond v0.2

2013-02-11 Thread Pierre-Jean
eciate to understand why. Cheers, Pierre-Jean. "Bernd Warken" wrote: > In groff_lilypond there are now 2 modes for generating the EPS > files: > --ly2eps (the new default) and > --pdf2eps (that's the old mode from version v0.1 with pdf to ps to eps). > > With

[Groff] (no subject)

2013-11-04 Thread Pierre-Jean
have been added or modified to handle syntax highlighting (Ugrind), the iso-690 bibliography standart (Refer), and greek polytonic (Tchars). I've released the first public version today: utroff-0.1. Enjoy ! Pierre-Jean.

[Groff] Announcing Utroff

2013-11-04 Thread Pierre-Jean
have been added or modified to handle syntax highlighting (Ugrind), the iso-690 bibliography standart (Refer), and greek polytonic (Tchars). I've released the first public version today: utroff-0.1. Enjoy ! Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] Fw: We need a new maintainer for groff

2013-11-17 Thread Pierre-Jean
Dear troffers, I wish we could simply cross the street to offer to Werner some champagne for the long time spent working on groff, and for the success of his next projects... Werner LEMBERG wrote: > Here's my e-mail sent to gnu.org. For now, since our small community now search for some more

Re: [Groff] space width

2014-02-06 Thread Pierre-Jean
but it is also a major problem for the whole troff community. Should'nt we begin the extension discussion by a discussion about the "state of the art" in the troff land ? Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] The future redux

2014-02-25 Thread Pierre-Jean
t we're discussing about. But, in the other hand, an overview of the state of the art in the troff land (and probably also latex), a precise roadmap, and an organized community is probably needed to find a developper. Maybe that we could continue this discussion in the aim of producing a public document that would encourage people to come and work on groff. > Again, sorry for the long post. So do I. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] The future redux

2014-03-08 Thread Pierre-Jean
set: .NOTESTART .NOTESTOP .NOTESTART .NOTESTOP .NOTESTART .NOTESTOP .LINETRAP-1 .NOTETRAP-1 .LINETRAP-2 .NOTETRAP-2 .FOOTER .PRINTNOTES .LINETRAP-3 .NOTETRAP-3 .FOOTER .PRINTNOTES Funny isn't it ? Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] The future redux

2014-03-10 Thread Pierre-Jean
om > the bottom). I thought that ms could handle that correctly. There's a long time that I did not use it, so I might be wrong. In my own macros, I'm using two footer traps: one to begin the notes, and another one to divert the text of the note that does not fit on a page to the next one. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-15 Thread Pierre-Jean
e are, IMHO, missing here. And why not mentionning heirloom implementation ? Isn't it an important reference for anyone wishing to work on these features ? Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] Manpages, groff, and the browser.

2014-03-17 Thread Pierre-Jean
to define in which point mdoc would have to be improved. Eric knows the solution and is the most competent person to implement it. It would be a great gift to the community if he would agree to do the job. It would also be a great example of community conciliation. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] Mission statement, second draft

2014-03-18 Thread Pierre-Jean
Hello folks, Peter Schaffter wrote: > Here's the second draft of the mission statement, incorporating > suggestions from Ingo, Eric, Pierre-Jean, and others. It's starting > to come into focus, although a third pass will probably be necessary > before we commit to it. I

Re: [Groff] Mission statement, second draft

2014-03-18 Thread Pierre-Jean
quot; lightly use glyph size .letadj 99 99 15 101 101 .lorem .br .\" Define default interword space .ss 10 0 .\" Define minimal interword space .minss 9 .lorem Cheers, Pierre-Jean. f.ps Description: PostScript document

Re: [Groff] Mission statement, second draft

2014-03-20 Thread Pierre-Jean
ight be a nice part of groff to be able to check that a document is strictly semantic. With that in mind, instead of an hardcoded lock in the macro package, I'd prefer and external tool, a kind of `checknr`, or a command line option. Saying that, I still don't exactly know what to think about that idea. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] Mission statement, 3rd draft

2014-03-24 Thread Pierre-Jean
Peter Schaffter wrote: > this represents the final version of the mission statement. This is a fine final version. Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Pierre-Jean
that there's place to some coordination even if we are working on different projects, with different goals, and using different troff implementations. Diversity with compatibility is one of the strength of troff, giving a place to that diversity is the goal of this list. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Pierre-Jean
27;s another goal than the Groff development. That's why I think it's not a so easy decision. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing bugs

2014-08-27 Thread Pierre-Jean
e with that: let's try, and take another decision later if it appears it's not constructive. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

[Groff] [Heirloom] Generating doc/ files

2014-08-27 Thread Pierre-Jean
can do it if needed. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] [Heirloom] Generating doc/ files

2014-08-27 Thread Pierre-Jean
e other documents, which show how to use the font features and how to tweak the typographic details. I believe we should go with Linux Libertine, since it is packaged in most distributions -- at least, I'm gonna try with this one. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] Extending refer

2014-09-03 Thread Pierre-Jean
ch are sometimes mentionned on man pages. > 4) The programs in Heirloom and refer history > - addbib I find easier to add papers manually. > - roffbib This one can be replaced easilly by refer -B file.ref | troff -ms > - sortbib Since refer is able to sort, I don't use this one a lot. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

[Groff] [Heirloom] bug in '.if' string comparison tests

2014-09-03 Thread Pierre-Jean
.tm B is like B Output "A is like A" and "B is like B" only once. I've recently seen the usage of the ^G character as field separator. That is a good idea, since it should avoid most possible conflicts with user input. But does anyone know what does this character means, an

Re: [Groff] Extending refer

2014-09-03 Thread Pierre-Jean
exts) can also deal (input and output) with the refer format (also known there as 'RIS' format). Pierre-Jean.

Re: [Groff] [Heirloom] bug in '.if' string comparison tests

2014-09-04 Thread Pierre-Jean
Ralph Corderoy wrote: > See ascii(7), as others have said, and 10.1 in http://troff.org/54.pdf > around where it says I should probably stop skim through this document to look for command definition, and start reading it from the begin to the end... :) Thanks ! Pierre-Jean.

[groff] [Utroff] Utmac ported to neatroff

2018-04-15 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
is there: http://litcave.rudi.ir Kind Regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] Now online: gropdf / grops previewer

2018-04-24 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
Karsten Kunze seemed to be the only other person on earth interested with that software. I'm not certain it is worth your time working on compatibility with heirloom troff. Kind Regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] Now online: gropdf / grops previewer

2018-04-26 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
ng desktop applications. This foundation is what's enabled me to > share my work as an online previewer. But the full experience can't be > ported to the browser, since it needs to shell out to Troff to process its > output. Ah... I thought atom was an online editor of some kind... Thank you for the details! Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] Creating a numbered list without macros

2018-08-22 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
simply has to have a particular need in term of data input format, layout, or localization (think at the macros formatting refer output) to need a custom macro set or a hacked one. Kind regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] Design and Implementation of *roff

2018-12-01 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
understand than the other troff sources I looked at. It also contains features that worth being considered today: paragraph at once adjustment and right to left scriptures. Here it is: https://github.com/aligrudi/neatroff Kind regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] Design and Implementation of *roff

2018-12-02 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
John Gardner wrote: > Well, I assume his reasons were to have a Troff variant which supported > right-to-left languages (which, if you think about it, is a pretty glaring > oversight in a typesetting system...) Ali also has tonnes of other > non-trivial projects, so his patience is obviously in gr

Re: [groff] Design and Implementation of *roff

2018-12-03 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
Hello alls, Actually, neatroff's documentation has a figure which quickly shows where Neatroff's major layers and features are implemented in its source tree: http://litcave.rudi.ir/neatroff.pdf#page Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] Design and Implementation of *roff

2018-12-03 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
Unix! Do we have any copy or source of these early troff formatted legal documents? Was there a macro dedicated for that task? Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] Regularize (sub)section cross references.

2018-12-16 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
nce, would become "éLéMENT", which is the ugliest thing you can get. And yes, there are man pages in french, and I believe, in a lot of other languages. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] Regularize (sub)section cross references.

2018-12-17 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
ee on the fact that a typographical enhancement of manual pages should involve a regression for all languages but english. I mean, people allready believe that groff/troff is a tool of the past, they don't need to come back to the nineties when computers were unable to display accented uppercase letters. Or should they ? Kind regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] Fonts, PDF images, groff vs. heirloom troff

2019-01-21 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
make That being said, I would personaly advise you to use the troff version you are comfortable with, because all the above mentionned will require some (probably long) set up. Kind Regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] Fonts, PDF images, groff vs. heirloom troff

2019-01-23 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
aksr wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 08:27:08AM +0100, Pierre-Jean Fichet wrote: > > Neatroff do both of these. It suports OpenType fonts, but does not offer > > as much control as Heirloom Troff does. > Are you sure about that? Heirloom troff is able to set ligatures with .f

Re: [groff] Fonts, PDF images, groff vs. heirloom troff

2019-01-27 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
Hellor Roy, Roy Fisher wrote: > On 1/24/19 12:58 AM, Pierre-Jean Fichet wrote: > > - heirloom paragraph at once adjustment behaves sometimes oddly (and seems > > buggy). > > What sort of odd/buggy issues are you seeing with paragraph adjustment? > Which version

Re: [groff] Fonts, PDF images, groff vs. heirloom troff

2019-01-28 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
ill online: https://github.com/pjfichet/utmac/branches Kind regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] Fonts, PDF images, groff vs. heirloom troff

2019-01-29 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
Hello Roy, Roy Fisher wrote: > On 1/28/19 4:51 AM, Pierre-Jean Fichet wrote: > > masterpieces of typographic details. > > 1) https://github.com/reffort/troffmanual/blob/master/troffdoc-mk.pdf > > While I won't disagree too loudly with the first part, that particul

[groff] troff Address book

2019-03-27 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
oes anyone know if such a tool exist yet ? If none exist I might attempt to hack refer... Though, a vcard compatible tool would certainly be more compatible... I'm gladly receiving people's advises, ideas, and opinions about all that. Kind regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] troff Address book

2019-03-28 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
t's the kind of things I will end up doing, indeed. I was wondering if some kind of pre-processor existed back in the time, since filling letter's fields seems like a common task... There's a python library to handle vcards, which may be a good starting point for me. Kind regards, Pierre-Jean.

Re: [groff] A poor mans Excel

2019-10-10 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
values ('Pierre'), ('Paul'), ('Jacques'); select * from T; sqlend TE Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff (was Re: Quick question: how to do .index in groff?)

2020-07-31 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
on? Did you consider sending a request to Ali Gholami Rudi? He always seems happy interacting with neatroff's users. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff (was Re: Quick question: how to do .index in groff?)

2020-08-01 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
rythm), and occasionnal glitches, but, on a day to day basis, it's a simple way to get a much better quality. I really think that's a situation where we benefit from automation. Cheers, Pierre-Jean.

Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff (was Re: Quick question: how to do .index in groff?)

2020-08-01 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
ffect the "colour" (i.e., density) of the > text. > Allright, I understand now. Thank you ! Pierre-Jean.

Re: Learning troff - where to start?

2020-10-15 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
, the troff formatting language is easy. I quickly could have my first working layout. Then comes the harder part of the work when complexity increases the risk of glitches, and glitches become harder to track and fix. But in the end, the journey is worth the effort, imho. Hoping that helps! Pierre-Jean.

Re: Learning troff - where to start?

2020-10-22 Thread Pierre-Jean Fichet
o your libertine font (/usr/share/fonts) FONTS: the names of the various fonts you want to convert. And you can run: make fonts And it should work... Though, please note that I'm not using the default neatroff_make installation, but a custom one, using the makefile in utmac/neatroff. Warm regards, Pierre-Jean.

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