I have never used refer to its fullest capabilities. Luckily I have only
ever had only tens of references in my papers, I have just numbered them
manually and used a '.RL' to print them. I need to do this properly now
because I have to worry about 100+ references in the current report.
If I u
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Joerg van den Hoff wrote:
> this is probably not helpful, but could'nt you just switch to MS (where the
> necessary macros exit and auto-numbering is not a problem)?
As far as I can tell, even the MS macros only autonumber in footnote
style. They do not do automatic numberin
On Thu, 7 Dec 2023, Carl Milsted wrote:
Also, I'm contemplating making a version of eqn which supports far more
symbols. I was figuring on just using the TeX names without the annoying
backslashes and adding them to the list of pre-made macros. (Actually,
I'd do a separate list in order to be
On Tue, 12 Dec 2023, Douglas McIlroy wrote:
In this real life example, the bigger brace has a lot more freeboard* than
the smaller one does.
groff -ms <
Hi Doug,
I noticed that the freeboard is heavily influenced by the size of the "to"
phrase on the top element of the pile and the "from" ph
On Thu, 14 Dec 2023, Larry McVoy wrote:
Agreed, I plugged -ms because after trying other stuff, I came back
to -ms. Haven't tried mom, I'm retired, but I hear good things.
But your point that this is pure troff is spot on. No macro package
required.
There are times when I prefer to use othe
On Sat, 16 Dec 2023, Oliver Corff wrote:
What is the canonical way to display a title/and or small caption (like
"Table 1: Distribution of Events over Time")?
.TB "Dictribution of Events over Time"
See "man groff_mm"
Regardss - Damian
On Sat, 16 Dec 2023, Oliver Corff wrote:
wonderful! That does the trick. I had been digesting the mm manual page
this afternoon, however .TB somehow managed to evade my attention.
The
.TC
table of contents macro automatically summarizes them at the end of the
document.
- Damian
On Sun, 17 Dec 2023, Oliver Corff wrote:
2. Is there a realistic chance to add an authors' affiliation line
somewhere, or should I include this information, as a work-around in
abstract block?
Some of us skip the cover sheet stuff and just spell it out. E.g.
.\" kill Header on first pag
On Sun, 17 Dec 2023, Oliver Corff wrote:
not long after yesterday's question I went to sleep. This morning I woke
up thinking "why bother with the macros, just do the layout yourself",
and in the meantime you had written. Your answer was exactly what I
wanted to do.
It gives you the flexibil
On Wed, 10 Jan 2024, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote:
A reasonable default would be:
1-4: R, I, B, BI(standard text fonts)
5: CW (computer/monospaced)
6-9: SS, S, ZD, ZDR (special)
but this is simply convention, it is not hardcoded into groff
(and can be modified by specifying a d
Hi CM,
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
Initially, I tried using an mm template for "external papers" from
Gehani [0], p. 306. Here is a stripped-down version:
I have used *roff with MM for 40+ years. I have not used cover sheet stuff
39+ years ago. I have used it for a thes
Hi all,
The rotated table within a document is a commonly used paradigm within a
document, i.e. an A4 landscape page within a document full of A4 portraint
pages.
What is the best way to achieve this?
Does anybody have examples of how they achieve this?
Thanks - Damian
On Thu, 18 Apr 2024, Thomas Dupond wrote:
You can add .fp 1 HR after .fam H, it will do the trick.
Although I have to admit I would have expected .fam H to be enough to also
change header/footer font.
Headers are, I think, processed is a different environment to main text.
It needs somebody
The original MM was done by John Mashey and D.W. Smith from Bell Labs at
Piscataway. They worked on the Programmers Workbench UNIX variant at Bell
Labs. Doug can enlighten you on where that fells into the overall Bell
Labs structure.
- Damian
Bento,
On Tue, 21 May 2024, Bento Borges Schirmer wrote:
I think I will stop reproducing templates for conferences for now.
Wise move. I just tweak my standard template every time.
different template, such as that of ACM!
Mine is close to this.
That's the entire idea after all, right!
On Wed, 22 May 2024, Thomas Dupond via wrote:
Also did an ersatz of this at my previous job to generate numbered
invoices. The hardest part was finding the company logo in postscript
format :D
In a past life, some of us programmed in Postscript so that solved that
problem.
- Damian
On Sun, 2 Jun 2024, Blake McBride wrote:
I have a bunch of jpg files I need to put into an mm file. The way I am
doing it right now is:
1. convert jpg files to ps files using: convert pic.jpg pic.ps
2. Include the pics in the mm file using: .PSPIC pic.ps 4in
3. Run groff: groff -mm file.mm
On Fri, 9 Aug 2024, John Gardner wrote:
So ideally, the fallback for "?0" should be "+0 or -0", which is
much more readable and less ambiguous than "+-0" or "+/-0".
For approximating ? in ASCII, is there some reason \z_+0 hasn't been
considered?
I had forgotten that approach.
The problem o
On Thu, 5 Sep 2024, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote:
.CW "this phrase is spicy with \[lq]Courier\[rq] powder" .
Also, within a double-quoted request or macro argument, you
can use a double double-quote to get a single double-quote
in the argument:
.CW "| ` ' \[aq] \[lq] \[rq] \[dq] "" |"
but you'll o
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024, hoh...@posteo.de wrote:
'catenate' is missing in Oxford learners and Oxford Compact Dictionary
as well. It's objected by my mail client also. Seems to be American
English.
'concatenate' seems to be a more common technical term. I learned it in
study. Oxford mentioned it t
Can somebody point me at the macros to which people refer that Steven's
used in his book please?
Thanks - Damian
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024, Meg McRoberts via wrote:
Which book? _Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment_ mentions a
groff package written by James Clark.The _Network Programming Vol 1:
Network APIs and Sockets" also mentions this package as well as some
tools andscripts written by Dave Hanson
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024, Meg McRoberts wrote:
Rich's homepage is still available. Maybe it will give some clues? I
see he references a document about the -ms macros. Any chance that is
what you are seeking? I didn't know that he had defined special macros
for the books but who knows?
He did.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024, Meg McRoberts wrote:
Whoops, forgot to include the link:
Thanks. I had already gone fishing there.
Thanks - Damian
Who is looking after these at the moment please?
I note that if you try and use
.DS 1
.EQ LABEL
equation
.EN
.DE
that EQ does not respect the right margin, or more correctly, distance
from the left margin to the right margin which a "DS 1" has done.
Basically EQ seems to think that it has the
Hi Carsten,
To where should I send my examples.
Is just an attachment OK. The TGZ file with raw text and postscript output
is 30K.
Also, my line 2086 in m.tmac says
.ds@set-new-ev \\n[ds*old-ll]
which is from contrib in 1.22.3.
Looking at your diffs, it seems you have replaced thi
With correct Subject this time
Hi Carsten,
To where should I send my examples.
Is just an attachment OK. The TGZ file with raw text and postscript output is
30K.
Also, my line 2086 in m.tmac says
.ds@set-new-ev \\n[ds*old-ll]
which is from contrib in 1.22.3.
Looking at your
OK. Have resubscribed so should be good from now on.
Anyway, I said
Also, my line 2086 in m.tmac says
address@hidden \\n[ds*old-ll]
which is from contrib in 1.22.3.
Looking at your diffs, it seems you have replaced this with
+.nr ds*div-ll \\n[ds*old-ll]
+.if \\n[ds*forma
On Wed, 1 Jul 2015, carsten.ku...@arcor.de wrote:
No, please delete the line
.ds@set-new-ev \\n[ds*old-ll]
and insert
.nr ds*div-ll \\n[ds*old-ll]
.if \\n[ds*format]=1 .nr ds*div-ll -\\n(Sin
.ds@set-new-ev \\n[ds*div-ll]
I figured I had the lines around the wrong way.
Yes. Did that.
All g
Hi Marisa,
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Marisa Giancarla wrote:
Im trying to convert my plain text documents to groff with -mm macro so
that i can generate plain text and pdf formats automaticly. When
processing it i get a syntax error.
Here is the command I'm using:
groff -p -t -mm -Tascii conimp
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Marisa Giancarla wrote:
Ok, trying that gave me an improvement but i still have these issues:
There is several lines of whitespace and a page number. I want the first
line of text to be on the first line of output and no page numbers.
I have never used 'groff' for such
Marisa,
Because I always use command line arguments to do what PGFORM does, I have
remained ignorant of PGFORM. So my comments might not be exactly what you
need.
If you disable your lines with PGFORM and PGNH, i.e.
.\".PGFORM
.\".PGNH
and use
.P
or even
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015, Dale Snell wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 00:12:32 -0700, in message
dee5c46f-d4b7-4426-8068-571e2eb09...@me.com, Marisa Giancarla wrote:
Right now i have the pages defined at the top of each with ".PGFORM
80 1000 0 1" but i would like to move this to the command line
arguments
Gurus,
My document, file 'oops' attached, uses
.S 12 24
to get double line spacing.
The command
groff -mm oops
bombs when going to the second page.
oops:48: fatal error: input stack limit exceeded (probable infinite loop)
Changing the above to
.S 12 18
avoids the
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
Hi Damian,
The command
groff -mm oops
bombs when going to the second page.
oops:48: fatal error: input stack limit exceeded (probable infinite loop)
...
Any ideas of where the problem lies?
What version of groff are you using? It works fin
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015, Clarke Echols wrote:
I started using troff in 1985. I've been using groff since 2009.
Myself since 1978. There are others on this list which go back longer.
I used troff to produce the HP-UX Reference (Unix man pages manual for
HP for most of five years (3000 pages in 3
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015, Peter Schaffter wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015, carsten.ku...@arcor.de wrote:
Consider that groff itself is somehow like plainTeX. You may
need a macro package for creating documents. But traditional
macro packages do (AFAIK) not provide TOC, index, cross references
*compare
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015, Peter Schaffter wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015, carsten.ku...@arcor.de wrote:
Consider that groff itself is somehow like plainTeX. You may
need a macro package for creating documents. But traditional
macro packages do (AFAIK) not provide TOC, index, cross references
*compare
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015, Jones, Larry wrote:
In conjunction with .IX or similar facilities, you can use the makeindex
program that is typically used for formatting TeX/LaTeX indexes, you
just need a troff style file. That's how the index in the ISO C Standard
(which is formatted with groff and MM)
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
on RHEL 6.7, 1.18.1.4; on RHEL 5.11, 1.18.1.1
Oh wow. Those are extremely old versions of groff.
I haven't seen versions that old in production since 2009.
As a user of RHEL, I found I had to update to avoid lots of problems. I am
less than happy t
Around August 2014, there was a discussion started by Blake McBride
Problem with MM spacing
I looks like Werner fixed something but I cannot exactly figure out what
it was from that discussion.
The problem I have could be related but it is subtly different.
Let me know if I should r
On Wed, 23 Dec 2015, Carsten Kunze wrote:
what do you mean here--Damian didn't use \#?
The use of \# looks like a fudge to fix a problem. Which sounds like a
recipe for disaster.
Or are my ideas too rooted in the past? Comments (Doug)?
Regards - Damian
Pacific Engineering Systems Internat
On Wed, 23 Dec 2015, Carsten Kunze wrote:
Damian McGuckin wrote:
Or are my ideas too rooted in the past? Comments (Doug)?
I think Doug is not to blame here :)
I was not blaming Doug. Sorry Doug. I was after some words of wisdom or
more precisely, insight, from somebody who had used such
On Wed, 23 Dec 2015, Mike Bianchi wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 04:44:40PM +0100, Carsten Kunze wrote:
Hello Mike,
what do you mean here--Damian didn't use \#?
Carsten
His example was
.H 2 "A Heading"
.TS
.\" some table of something
.
.TE
or
.H 2 "
On Sun, 20 Mar 2016, Steve Izma wrote:
I'm wondering how CPU configurations affect groff processing
speed.
Groff consumes very little time, even when it is used to format a 200 page
documents with tables, graphs, pictures, and so on. 30 years on a Motorola
68000, I sat and waited a minute or
On Wed, 23 Mar 2016, Steve Izma wrote:
I assume that another way of asking this: "is groff
multithreaded?" I don't know enough about this kind of
programming to answer this by looking at the source code.
Not as far as I know.
I'm only considering this in a Linux environment (Debian stable, fa
Does anybody have document templates, or even rigorous style guides, for
things like
a) proposals,
b) reports,
c) papers,
I have some definitions which cover fonts, heading styles, footers and
headers, hyphenation, justification and paragraphs. I then sometimes
enhance that
On Wed, 3 Aug 2016, Larry Kollar wrote:
Is there some reason you can?t use device-independent units like inches
or ens?
.in 1i \? One inch indent on all devices
.in 6n \? Six ens, (1 en is roughly the current text size)
Sadly, I was under the 35 year impression you could. But in my letterhea
Hi All,
I set the spacing to double spaced, i.e. instead of
.S 12 14
I used
.S 12 28
However, the text
waffle, waffle, waffle
.H 2 "Rubbish"
More waffle
comes out as
waffle, waffle, waffle
< this is wrong
Rubbish (in bol
On Sun, 23 Oct 2016, Gerard Lally wrote:
Well the sample is meaningless; I searched for a "desktop publishing"
image and chose that one at random as a reasonably complex example of
what I had in mind. Good typography is one of the reasons I am hoping to
standardize on *roff. It's going to be a l
On Mon, 24 Oct 2016, Robert Thorsby wrote:
Groff works very close to the metal so, in broad terms, it can do anything
because you are not fettered by unavoidable "presets". In fact, although
groff has many presets and default values that are designed to make life
easier for the user, they can
On Mon, 24 Oct 2016, Gerard Lally wrote:
I anticipate *roff satisfying 95% of my needs Damian: articles, letters,
reports, technical papers. It's great to hear from you people who have
been using it "from the dawn of creation"!
I think that is a compliment???
Regards - Damian
Pacific Enginee
On Tue, 25 Oct 2016, Steve Izma wrote:
I think the whole point of typography is to make texts more readable
than impressionist paintings. I like to read what I typeset, not just
look at it.
Yes. For books, reports, manuals, etc, the key feature is readability. For
an advertisement, it is mor
On Thu, 27 Apr 2017, James K. Lowden wrote:
The troff system was designed to be typed at a keyboard. The
dot-on-the-left rule might be ugly, and the requests/macros terse, but
the benefit to the user is relatively few keystrokes above those needed
for the text.
A corollary of this is that i
Hi,
The last time I used refer with MM was over a decade ago so my brain might
be playing tricks.
There is a command used in macro .]- to explicitly clear the fields
.rm [A [B [C [D [E [G [I [J [N [O [P [Q [R [S [T [V
This means that the fields from one reference do not pollute the
I noticed that in a document whose hypenation is nominally controlled by
the MM-defined register
Hy
this value is ignored when processing references. Are references not
counted as being part of the text-body? Or was this an oversight?
Regards - Damian
Pacific Engineering Systems Int
I needed more flexibility with references when using the MM macros. I
needed to modify the heading display, the hyphenation/font/line-spacing
during the display of the references, and so on.
I have introduced the concept of 2 new macros, RZ and RH. The 'RH' is a
newly defined macro which wi
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
At 2017-11-20T11:35:13+, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
Hi Branden,
Are you familiar with the U.K. practice[3] that says an abbreviation
doesn't get a period if the abbreviation ends with the final letter of
the abbreviated word?
Nothing has been b
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018, Doug McIlroy wrote:
The variance in running times pretty well swamped the difference between
-ms padded and unpadded. The difference was at most a few percent.
I tried some hypothetic similar tests and got similar results. Even on a
low power, slowish (firewall) CPU. Mind
On Tue, 1 May 2018, Doug McIlroy wrote:
Fellow groffers, what do you think of generalizing the application
of "mark" and "lineup" in eqn to work in columns and piles as
well as in equations.
The typical use of mark and lineup is to align = signs in
a sequence of equations. If the = signs signify
Doug,
On Tue, 1 May 2018, Doug McIlroy wrote:
In fact the matrix trick is so painful that with tongue
hardly in cheek I'd claim that for the present example
raw troff would be simpler:
\h'\w'longidentifier'u-\w'shortid'u'\c
shortid = expression1
.br
longidentifier = expression2
When I try (
On Wed, 2 May 2018, Doug McIlroy wrote:
I agree it lines things up right horizontally. What I complained
about is that (at least in -ms) a separate EQ-EN pair for each
line introduces extra vertical space, so the sequence does not
look like a coherent whole.
Is that because of the spacing insi
I used *roff ages ago for creating invoices and accounting reports driven
by a timesheeting/debtors system which was built over an SQL database.
It worked really well.
groff pulled in Postscript templates which contained logos and colored
stuff for nice looking pages.
Regards - Damian
Pa
On Fri, 23 Nov 2018, Larry Kollar wrote:
Nowadays, minimalism is all the rage. Omit needless words, as
Professor Strunk wrote in 1918.
A (shortened?? 26-page) version of which is at
https://faculty.washington.edu/heagerty/Courses/b572/public/StrunkWhite.pdf
The 4th and latest editio
On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote:
I'm in search of any documentation that provides insight
into the design and implementation of a *roff.
Not sure if this helps more than it confuses, but
perhaps looking into the "amazingly workable formatter",
an nroff-workalike written in awk, migh
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, John Gardner wrote:
*Some terminals, the Tek 401x series especially, could* *be configured
to tell the host to stop sending text on* *a "page full" condition.
Some sent the proper RS-232**hardware signals, some sent
/.*
Really? That's interesting. What did do? On the ter
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, John Gardner wrote:
There were 24 lines per page unless over-ridden on the command
line.
The tool was real unix tool, lean and mean with only a few
arguments.
It was far less functional than either 'more' or 'less' but it
did
let you
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, John Gardner wrote:
Surely 300 baud was a more refreshing[1] experience than an
electromechanical teletypewriter, right?
Never used one. I am NOT that old! Although I saw maybe 2 in my life.
Regards - Damian
Pacific Engineering Systems International, 277-279 Broadway, Gle
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, John Gardner wrote:
I've lost the link, but I remember somebody got hold of a hard-copy terminal
somehow and used it to display his Twitter's newsfeed by threading output
through a serial port hooked up to his Linux workstation.
The output wasn't much to look at, but the effo
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
Logically, inserting the date at compile time doesn't really make sense.
You don't want the date of compiling there, you want the date the letter
was written and originally sent. So there is really value in having the
author enter the date manually.
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019, John Gardner wrote:
Hi Paul,
No, it doesn't. If PDF/A compliancy is a concern, you could try rendering
to PostScript and using a program like GhostScript or Adobe Distiller to
generate a PDF (which may or may not have an option to generate
PDF/A-compliant documents).
See
On Fri, 16 Aug 2019, ansgoati al wrote:
I need a table with a title in the center and then two numbered columns of
mathematical equations.
It might not be a table but I don't know how to make a list of several columns.
My questions are:
How to change row height of tables?
How to move the equati
On Mon, 2 Dec 2019, wong kevin wrote:
checking for pfbtops... no
configure: error: Please install pfbtops from groff package at
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/groff/ before installing.
Isn't this is the 'psutils' package?
Regards - Damian
Pacific Engineering Systems International, 277-279 Broadway,
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019, Chris Sadiq wrote:
For some reason the spacing on one side of the relation is more than the
other. Is there any way to fix this? I have tried looking for a solution
and simply cannot find one. Thank you
[image: Screenshot from 2019-12-14 18-10-11.png]
I tried a single file
When using the 'mm' macros, I try
.H 1 "A Heading"
.AL 1
.LI
My List
under 1.18.1.4, if gives me a single space between the space and the list.
1. A Heading
My List
This is the correct behaviour and has been since the days of DWB/MM. Some
of u
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019, Jeff Conrad wrote:
I ran into the same problem; it looks really, really bad. I reported it
last year as bug #54909 (https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?54909); the
problem arises from the code that generates HTML. I don't have a real
fix, but have a hack to produce the long-st
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019, Damian McGuckin wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019, Jeff Conrad wrote:
I ran into the same problem; it looks really, really bad. I reported
it last year as bug #54909 (https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?54909); the
problem arises from the code that generates HTML. I don't h
Hi Mike,
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019, Mike Bianchi wrote:
When using the 'mm' macros, I try ...
Look at groff_mm(7) , for the documentation of the .H macro.
The .H macro is highly customizable.
In particular, the Hs register says:
Tried that. Does not fix it.
If I do
.rm misc@tag
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020, Larry McVoy wrote:
yep, agreed. I'd throw in some stuff I did in http://little-lang.org
which was really sort of a prototype for what I wanted C to evolve to.
I was always sad that the development of C that became Alef never got off
the ground.
Regards - Damian
Pacific
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020, Gr?goire Babey wrote:
I tried this with a simple file named aa, containing only two
characters. "aa". If I type:
groff aa
I should find at some place a file named aa.ps.
That is incorrect - 'groff' send its output to standard output.
You need to type
groff aa >
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020, Robert Thorsby wrote:
While the cognoscenti continue to debate how many angels can stand on the
head of a pin I am prepared to regard Larry & Doug as definitive.
I have been using *roff pre-ditroff so slightly longer than old Larry, but
not as long as young Doug, and I con
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
An excellent book, and one that I have used a lot. But nobody can claim
that it's up-to-date (it predates groff), and there are many features in
groff that weren't in the troff version described. Isn't it sad that
nothing more modern is availab
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
I do, notably the PostScript display requests.
If you mean the
\X'ps: file '
OK. Point taken although older troff could handle that also from memory.
But it is so long ago, I cannot remember how. That was in the days when
the Postsc
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
On Wednesday, 14 October 2020 at 11:12:26 +1100, Damian McGuckin wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
I do, notably the PostScript display requests.
If you mean the
\X'ps: file '
On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, Peter Schaffter wrote:
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, Damian McGuckin wrote:
How many people use features of 'groff' that are not in 'troff'?
The mom macros rely heavily on extensions to groff that were implemented
during Werner's term. Since many (mos
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020, Damian McGuckin wrote:
Would O'Reilly release the source code of the book so it could be updated?
The UTP Revival Project recreated the source code because Tim and Sale
were unable to locate a copy of the original source. It is located at:
While we are on this topic, anyone know where there is a copy of
Writers Workbench
Thanks - Damian
Pacific Engineering Systems International, 277-279 Broadway, Glebe NSW 2037
Ph:+61-2-8571-0847 .. Fx:+61-2-9692-9623 | unsolicited email not wanted here
Views & opinions here are mine an
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020, Mike Bianchi wrote:
Isn't it sad that nothing more modern is available?
Since it is open source,
it might make sense to have a team produce a groff version?
I did follow up with that site. In case you missed it:
http://home.windstream.net/kollar/utp/
And Deri
Hi,
I went back to a very old document using troff and MM. It is a tutorial
on using troff at the macro package level without needing to know much
about the low level troff. I was contemplating updating it and putting it
out there.
I am trying to use a display with fill mode on, i.e.
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, Larry Kollar wrote:
To be honest, I can?t believe over a fourth of my life has gone by since
we started the transcription.
The scarier thought is when you realize that you wrote your first tutorial
for using the antecedents of groff more than half your lifetime ago!
- D
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020, Anton Shepelev wrote:
Does not the current behavior agree with the
groff_mm manpage, which states for .DS that:
`rindent shortens the line length by that amount.
If you don't pass the `rindent' as the third parame-
ter, you get the same line length, but indente
Thanks for your advice.
The bug is that while
.DS 1
uses the standard indent,
.DS 1 1
does NOT use the standard indent.
However
.DS 1 1 5
works (but the third argument is supposed to be option).
So, yes, it is a bug!
Regards - Damian
Pacific Engineering Systems
Hi Anton,
If not, please retest with the latest version.
1. http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/groff/groff-1.22.4.tar.gz
I was using 1.22.3 which is reasonably up-to-date. I should have thought
of that but it did not occur to me that something as fundamental as my own
problem wou
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
The ability to define macros to tackle the particular needs of an
individual document is among the strengths of roff - and, as you
recently documented, it has been since AT&T Version 3 UNIX in 1973.
Well before my time!
I'm regularly using a small num
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020, Robert Thorsby wrote:
The ease with which documents can be created in a layout that meets the
author's (or publisher's) precise requirements is *roff's most important
feature.
Were Richard Steven's macros that he used with troff on his networking
books ever published?
J
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020, Dorai Sitaram via wrote:
Is there a way to change the text used for the section header inserted
by 'refer' before the accumulated references? By default, it is
"References". Hopefully it isn't hardcoded.
With '-mm', it is defined by the string
\*(Rp
I hacked t
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020, Dave Kemper wrote:
On 11/11/20, Damian McGuckin wrote:
That said, I think the whole 'refer' package and how it fits into the
process of producing a document could do with some further explanation.
There is some in the context of MoM but it needs to be generic.
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020, Olle L?gdahl wrote:
I solved it. Most of the characters are documented in 'man troff_char';
element of set is '\[mo]'. Would it still be logical to expand the synax for
eqn to add it as a keyword?
No. Do not over-complicate things. Keep it simple.
Regards - Damian
Pacif
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, Richard Morse wrote:
However, it sounds increasingly like this is not something that can be
solved in groff, but rather I will have to explore modifying the rest of
the process to handle this.
That has been my experience when generating invoices with groff, although
in m
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, Colin Watson wrote:
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 02:12:28PM +1100, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
At 2020-12-12T21:19:38-0800, Jim Avera wrote:
I suspect groff is always in UTC (but haven't confirmed).
No, that is not true, at least not in groff as provided by GNU. A
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