Re: a question of hyphenation policy

2024-08-30 Thread Robert Thorsby
Hi again Branden, I'll let others respond regarding the morality of dangling hyphens on the last line. :-) On 30/8/24 16:38, G. Branden Robinson wrote: At 2024-08-30T16:29:03+1000, Robert Thorsby wrote: I wouldn't call myself a typographer but I refuse to allow hyphens to break, usually via '

Re: a question of hyphenation policy

2024-08-30 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> .hlm nSet the consecutive automatically hyphenated line limit >to to n. A negative value means "no limit". What happens after that count is reached is that the next line is stretched wide, simply to avoid hyphenation (unless .na is used, in which case the line is simply broke

Re: a question of hyphenation policy

2024-08-30 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> \s[-X]\H[+X]text to be kerned goes here\H[0]\s0 I believe distorting the shapes of letters is even more frowned upon in typesetting circles than consecutive hyphenation is. As a practical approach to manually optimizing the line breaks in a paragraph, I have found that twiddling the space siz

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2024-08-30 Thread Douglas McIlroy
> However, no matter what you do, you simply *cannot* end the last line > of a column or page with a hyphen.predicting Alas, it happens regularly in real life. The groff line-filling algorithm would have a hard time predicting a page break, for the break is usually the result of a yet-unseen .br,

Re: a question of hyphenation policy

2024-08-30 Thread Robert Thorsby
On 30/8/24 20:54, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: \s[-X]\H[+X]text to be kerned goes here\H[0]\s0 I believe distorting the shapes of letters is even more frowned upon in typesetting circles than consecutive hyphenation is. I agree that if the distortion becomes visible then it was the wrong tool fo

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2024-08-30 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Fri, Aug 30, 2024, Douglas McIlroy wrote: > > However, no matter what you do, you simply *cannot* end the last line > > of a column or page with a hyphen.predicting > > Alas, it happens regularly in real life. > ... > Back to Branden's original question. I woulld expect the hyphenation count >

Re: a question of hyphenation policy

2024-08-30 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> > I believe distorting the shapes of letters is even more frowned > > upon in typesetting circles than consecutive hyphenation is. > > Tadziu, were you referring to your language (where I *think* > hyphenation would always be necessary)? Sorry if my wording was a bit vague. I was referring t

"transparent" output and throughput, demystified

2024-08-30 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi folks, Those of us who worked with groff 1.22.4 may remember a couple of diagnostic messages that gobsmacked one with their incomprehensibility. Here's the source code that produced them. error("can't transparently output node at top level"); error("can't translate %1 to special character

Re: GNU maintainership update

2024-08-30 Thread John Gardner
Congrats, Branden! [1] https://xkcd.com/149/ Fixed that for you: [image: sandwich.png] On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 at 08:26, G. Branden Robinson < g.branden.robin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi folks, > > Bertrand and I have heard back from the GNU maintainers team. As of > yesterday, they have offere

GNU maintainership update

2024-08-30 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi folks, Bertrand and I have heard back from the GNU maintainers team. As of yesterday, they have offered me the maintainer role for groff and I have communicated my acceptance. I haven't received notification of any changed "permission bits" or anything else, and don't expect to immediately, s