On Feb 17 2023, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> On Feb 17 2023, John Gardner wrote:
> > >
> > > https://en.roquesor.com/Downloads/fmtroff.c
> > >
> >
> > Missed opportunity to call it "roffmt". ;-)
>
> I didn't realize! My code is even less elegant than the name I chose. :-)
> Y
Hi Branden,
> Perhaps you can think of some alternative names for distinguishing
> formatter output that we expect non-groff output drivers to be able to
> cope with from those that exercise the extension.
troff lays out its input.
The input has been placed on the page.
It is typeset.
It is set.
On 4/1/23, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> At 2023-04-01T19:45:19-0400, Douglas McIlroy wrote:
>> What does .char do for you that .ds doesn't?
>
> I don't remember where I saw this trick, but you can use a
> `char`-defined object as a margin character, and I suppose just about
> anywhere else the lan
On Mon Apr 10, 2023 at 5:03 AM EDT, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> troff lays out its input.
> The input has been placed on the page.
> It is typeset.
> It is set.
>
> troff chapter.tr >chapter.set
$ file chapter.set
chapter.set: ditroff output text for PostScript, ASCII text
Wouldn’
Hi DJ,
> > troff lays out its input.
> > The input has been placed on the page.
> > It is typeset.
> > It is set.
> >
> > troff chapter.tr >chapter.set
>
> $ file chapter.set
> chapter.set: ditroff output text for PostScript, ASCII text
>
> Wouldn’t “.ditroff” be more appropriate?
Quoth DJ Chase:
$ file chapter.set
chapter.set: ditroff output text for PostScript, ASCII text
Wouldn’t “.ditroff” be more appropriate?
file tells you that chapter.set contains the ouput of ditroff, not
ditroff itself. So no, both .set (which I find agreeable) and .trout
are
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 10:03:34AM +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> Subject: A file suffix for troff's output. (Was: pdfroff in groff
> 1.23.0.rc3 changes compared to 1.22.4)
>
> troff chapter.tr >chapter.set
> grops chapter.set >chapter.ps
>
> Short, simple, not already widely used by ano
Hi Steve,
> > troff chapter.tr >chapter.set
> > grops chapter.set >chapter.ps
> >
> > Short, simple, not already widely used by another program,
> > pronounceable, a clear derivation.
>
> Maybe I'm mis-reading the problem here, but Postscript output from
> groff in my experience has alway
Hi Steve,
On 4/10/23 15:45, Steve Izma wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 10:03:34AM +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
>> Subject: A file suffix for troff's output. (Was: pdfroff in groff
>> 1.23.0.rc3 changes compared to 1.22.4)
>>
>> troff chapter.tr >chapter.set
>> grops chapter.set >chapter.
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 04:37:07PM +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> Subject: Re: A file suffix for troff's output.
>
> Some programs can act on the pattern to filenames, e.g.
> make(1). It can be told how to turn a .tr into a .set and a
> .set into a .ps. Even though all three are text files, it's
>
Hi Alejandro,
> I'd use .cat.set for UTF8/ASCII pages, and .html.set for HTML pages.
Yes, I was thinking if a .tr was being turned into several formats then
I'd include troff's -T device in the filename.
But as a general case, where just one -T is being targeted, a plain
chapter.set seems suffic
Hi Ralph,
On 4/10/23 17:56, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> Hi Alejandro,
>
>> I'd use .cat.set for UTF8/ASCII pages, and .html.set for HTML pages.
>
> Yes, I was thinking if a .tr was being turned into several formats then
> I'd include troff's -T device in the filename.
>
> But as a general case, whe
On Mon Apr 10, 2023 at 8:42 AM EDT, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> > > troff lays out its input.
> > > The input has been placed on the page.
> > > It is typeset.
> > > It is set.
> > >
> > > troff chapter.tr >chapter.set
> >
> > $ file chapter.set
> > chapter.set: ditroff output text for Post
Hi DJ,
> Since ditroff stands for “Device Independent troff”
It does. It means the troff which doesn't have a device hard-coded
within it but can instead take -Tps, -Tutf8, etc.
The output of the device-independent troff is specific to the chosen -T
device. Continuing to include the ‘independe
On Mon Apr 10, 2023 at 1:37 PM EDT, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> Hi DJ,
>
> > Since ditroff stands for “Device Independent troff”
>
> It does. It means the troff which doesn't have a device hard-coded
> within it but can instead take -Tps, -Tutf8, etc.
>
> The output of the device-independent troff is
Hi Alex,
Alejandro Colomar writes:
> On 4/8/23 00:09, Dirk Gouders wrote:
>>> Maybe it could be done with .SH and .SS. The heuristics to find these
>>> are simple. It wouldn't be very precise, but it could try to find the
>>> closest (only upwards) (sub)section heading. With some luck, .TP wo
Hi Dirk,
On 4/10/23 21:05, Dirk Gouders wrote:
>> For something simpler, you could just count words since the start of the
>> section divided by total words in the section. That should be fast, and
>> I expect, also quite precise. Hyphenating might work against you on
>> this, but on average it
Hi Dirk,
At 2023-04-10T21:05:24+0200, Dirk Gouders wrote:
> This relies on the assumption that horizontal resizes don't create or
> delete emty lines and it still has the weakness that manual pages
> (e.g. bash(1)) contain large areas without empty lines but it's
> definitely better than just stay
Hi Ingo, Branden,
I'm not going to answer in Savannah, because as Ingo, I also do not
like interactive web interfaces. Let's discuss it over email.
Ingo claimed 7n is wasting screen.
Branden claimed that preferring 5n is subjective.
I agree with Branden that it is subjective, and moreover, pre
Hi Alex,
At 2023-04-10T22:43:18+0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> I'm not going to answer in Savannah, because as Ingo, I also do not
> like interactive web interfaces. Let's discuss it over email.
>
> Ingo claimed 7n is wasting screen.
I'll come back to this.
> Branden claimed that preferring
On 4/10/23, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> At 2023-04-10T22:43:18+0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
>> Branden claimed that preferring 5n is subjective.
>
> It _is_ also traditional in English typography.
It's traditional on typewriters (which I presume is what you meant,
since the next sentence talks
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