Re: [BUG] italics run past where they should

2022-07-23 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Branden, > If you can persuade the pager to dump its output to a file without > noticing that it's not a TTY ... > I don't remember the trick I used. script(1) would do that. -- Cheers, Ralph.

Re: warning on mid-input line sentence endings (was: Warn on semantic newlines)

2022-07-23 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi, Dave Kemper wrote: > Luckily, "newsentence" is shorter. In case they trigger other suggestions: - want line end - two sentences - sentences - trailing sentence - trailing words - trailing characters - end-of-sentence noise - EoS noise -- Cheers, Ralph.

Re: [PATCH] NULL.3def: Add documentation for NULL

2022-07-23 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Alejandro, > As hinted in recent mails to groff@ and linux-man@, > I'm going to inaugurate a new [sub]section for constants. This seems a bad idea. They're quite at home in section 3. > I think it should contain constants, normally represented by > object-like macros in C. But it should als

Re: All caps .TH page title

2022-07-23 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Alejandro, Wandering off-topic... > $ find man* -type f \ >| tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' \ >| sort \ >| uniq -d \ >| while read f; do > find man* -type f \ > | grep -i $f; >done; > man2/_Exit.2 > man2/_exit.2 > man3/nan.3 > man3/NAN.3 You may like to know GNU's

Re: All caps .TH page title

2022-07-23 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Branden, Doug wrote: > > Doing it for groff-related man pages only would simply brand groff > > as quirky. ... > And, as I shall never cease to remind people, the man(7) `PT` and `BT` > traps are replaceable, thanks to the efforts of Larry Kollar around 20 > years ago. Are you saying a man-pag

Re: All caps .TH page title

2022-07-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-07-23T11:51:04+0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Doug wrote: > > > Doing it for groff-related man pages only would simply brand groff > > > as quirky. > ... > > And, as I shall never cease to remind people, the man(7) `PT` and > > `BT` traps are replaceable, thanks to the efforts of Larry Kolla

Re: [BUG] italics run past where they should

2022-07-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-07-23T10:44:35+0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > > If you can persuade the pager to dump its output to a file without > > noticing that it's not a TTY > ... > > I don't remember the trick I used. > > script(1) would do that. That was probably it; while I was exposed to the command way back on

Re: All caps .TH page title

2022-07-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-07-23T11:51:04+0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > > And, as I shall never cease to remind people, the man(7) `PT` and > > `BT` traps are replaceable, thanks to the efforts of Larry Kollar > > around 20 years ago. > > Are you saying a man-page author should work around groff's increasing > devia

Re: tbl(1) minor issues

2022-07-23 Thread Dave Kemper
On 7/22/22, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > I disagree with this, because I find it awkward to put one complete > sentence as a parenthetical inside another. I believe a sentence should > remain grammatical even if the parentheses are removed. As a middle-ground opinion from another punctuation tyr

Re: tbl(1) minor issues

2022-07-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-07-23T07:37:42-0500, Dave Kemper wrote: > On 7/22/22, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > I disagree with this, because I find it awkward to put one complete > > sentence as a parenthetical inside another. I believe a sentence should > > remain grammatical even if the parentheses are removed.

Re: tbl(1) minor issues

2022-07-23 Thread Deri
On Saturday, 23 July 2022 14:47:55 BST G. Branden Robinson wrote: > I > hope to hear back from Deri regarding my recent questions about URW font > detection and foundry-management gymnastics. Sorry, Branden, I must have missed the question. Please point me to it. Cheers Deri

Re: tbl(1) minor issues

2022-07-23 Thread Dave Kemper
On 7/23/22, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > That's _still_ too general a claim, but it > will take me some time to find a way to articulate it well. No need; we don't have to document our personal punctuation principles here. We've resolved this tbl man-page issue (pending Alex's input, but the pro

Re: tbl(1) minor issues

2022-07-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-07-23T09:58:54-0500, Dave Kemper wrote: > No need; we don't have to document our personal punctuation principles > here. [...] Discussions on general style philosophies can wait till > our next Punctuation Pedants meeting. (The flyer for it is being held > up while a subcommittee debates w

Re: tbl(1) minor issues

2022-07-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-07-23T15:22:34+0100, Deri wrote: > On Saturday, 23 July 2022 14:47:55 BST G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > I hope to hear back from Deri regarding my recent questions about > > URW font detection and foundry-management gymnastics. > > Sorry, Branden, I must have missed the question. Please

Re: All caps .TH page title

2022-07-23 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Doug, G. Branden Robinson wrote on Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 07:48:21AM -0500: > At 2022-07-22T07:36:03-0400, Douglas McIlroy wrote: >> Changing the .TH case convention throughout the Unix world is about >> as futile an effort as English spelling reform. > I love a challenge. In addition to that,

Re: All caps .TH page title

2022-07-23 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Alejandro, On 7/22/22 12:35, Alejandro Colomar (man-pages) wrote: > BTW, I think I didn't reply (or if I did was very short) to your comment > that other languages may find it difficult to mirror our use of > subsections, since their main section is already a subsection (e.g., > 3pl). Othe

manual section titles (was: All caps .TH page title)

2022-07-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Alex, [Dropping linux-man from the CC list as I am sure some of the kernel hackers there, if they bother to read my remarks below, will take offense. As they should. By the way, I was able to follow up with a screenshot of the tm.3type page rendered as PostScript, but it was rejected from the

"Writing my PhD using groff"

2022-07-23 Thread Alexis
Just came across this, thought people here might appreciate it: "Quality was not the only way in which groff surprised me: it has serious speed too, especially in comparison to LaTeX ... "In fact, many of the advantages of using groff are the same as LaTeX, but with the added advantage of s

Re: How groff should locate AFM files for gropdf (was: build system: devpdf/download regression)

2022-07-23 Thread Deri
On Sunday, 17 July 2022 05:34:27 BST G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Hi Deri, > At 2022-07-16T15:56:28+0100, Deri wrote: > > My understanding is that the selection of paths to search is appended > > to the value of the --with-urw-fonts-dir config variable (if any). > > Yes. To make it clear for m

Re: "Writing my PhD using groff"

2022-07-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-07-24T10:08:59+1000, Alexis wrote: > Just came across this, thought people here might appreciate it: > > "Quality was not the only way in which groff surprised me: it has > serious speed too, especially in comparison to LaTeX ... > > "In fact, many of the advantages of using groff are the

Re: "Writing my PhD using groff"

2022-07-23 Thread Larry McVoy
On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 08:07:22PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > At 2022-07-24T10:08:59+1000, Alexis wrote: > > Just came across this, thought people here might appreciate it: > > > > "Quality was not the only way in which groff surprised me: it has > > serious speed too, especially in compa

Re: "Writing my PhD using groff"

2022-07-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-07-23T18:30:22-0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > I was program committee chair for Linux Expo in 1999. Sounds like I was > a big deal but what it really meant was I had to format the proceedings > (I was not a big deal, just someone willing to do work). LaTex had > won by then, but not in my min

Re: "Writing my PhD using groff"

2022-07-23 Thread DJ Chase
On Sat Jul 23, 2022 at 10:08 PM EDT, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > At 2022-07-23T18:30:22-0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > > Sadly, almost all of the papers were submitted in LaTex. I think the > > reasons were > > (b) troff was locked up and the docs were locked for a long time. > > I don't think the