Re: Quick question: how to do .index in groff?

2020-07-26 Thread Denis M. Wilson
Hello On Sun, 26 Jul 2020 11:05:38 +1000 John Gardner wrote: > > > > but I guess that's an indication I'm thinking about things in the > > wrong way. > > > Possibly. What exactly have you been using `.index` for? > > By the way, is it a goal of groff to support the Heirloom Troff > extensio

Groff vs Heirloom troff (was Re: Quick question: how to do .index in groff?)

2020-07-26 Thread Dave Kemper
> > By the way, is it a goal of groff to support the Heirloom Troff extensions? > > Nope, more like the other way around. Groff is the dominant Troff > implementation these days, so it behoves Heirloom Troff to support the more > commonly-used extensions. It's not a question of which implementatio

Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff (was Re: Quick question: how to do .index in groff?)

2020-07-26 Thread Richard Morse
> On Jul 26, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Dave Kemper wrote: > > Anyone interested in groff's long-term goals should check out its > mission statement > (http://www.gnu.org/software/groff/groff-mission-statement.html), > crafted after much discussion on this list several years ago. Three > core improvement

Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff (was Re: Quick question: how to do .index in groff?)

2020-07-26 Thread Dave Kemper
On 7/26/20, Richard Morse wrote: > Which is the external helper that lets it natively understand modern fonts? > That would be huge! Yeah, it's confusingly part of the mom macro package documentation, even though it's a general-purpose groff script. See http://www.schaffter.ca/mom/mom-06.html#in

Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff (was Re: Quick question: how to do .index in groff?)

2020-07-26 Thread Morten Bo Johansen
On 2020-07-26 Dave Kemper wrote: > It doesn't so much let groff natively understand modern fonts as > convert those fonts into a form groff does understand (Type 1 > PostScript) and install them in a place groff checks automatically. > By default this requires root privs, though if you don't have

Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff (was Re: Quick question: how to do .index in groff?)

2020-07-26 Thread John Gardner
> > That groff cannot do the first at all, and requires external helpers > (one of them not even shipped with the package) for the latter two, > ironically makes it look more outdated than its "heirloom" counterpart. What I find laughable as that neither of them support right-to-left languages, w

Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff (was Re: Quick question: how to do .index in groff?)

2020-07-26 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello, as a newcomer user but involved to other open source projects, i'm hooked by this: > software to have. Neatroff comes to the rescue on that front, so... we're > basically looking at unifying *three* major implementations. ;-) i guess the number of contributors of all those projects is not

Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff

2020-07-26 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Marc, >> software to have. Neatroff comes to the rescue on that front, so... >> we're basically looking at unifying *three* major implementations. ;-) > i guess the number of contributors of all those projects is not that > big so i wonder if someone thought about a join effort on one > implem

Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff (was Re: Quick question: how to do .index in groff?)

2020-07-26 Thread Dave Kemper
On 7/26/20, John Gardner wrote: > What I find laughable as that neither of them support right-to-left > languages, Good point. I wonder why this never came up during the mission-statement discussion; it seems like another major expansion that ought to be a long-term goal.

Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff

2020-07-26 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello Ingo, thanks for this detailed anwser. > The reason i'm sticking to groff is that groff has been the typesetter > predominantly used by BSD systems during the last 25 years, that i think everyone else have good reasons to be stuck on its own prefered implementation. > I think it's a gener

Re: ATTN groff Savannah administrators: category request

2020-07-26 Thread Bertrand Garrigues via
Hi Branden, On Sat, Jul 25 2020 at 04:27:54 PM, "G. Branden Robinson" wrote: > At 2020-07-25T07:10:11+0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> > Sorry for the somewhat loud subject line, but we don't often see >> > Werner or Bertrand on this list anymore and to my recollection, I've >> > never seen Vaibha