On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:13:54PM +0100, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Groff] Letterspacing
>
> > The grey is clearly superior to the unadjusted column.
>
> It appears to me that "No adjustment" column appears worse than
> it needs to because you're seriously inhibiting hyphenation...
> I think many publishers (including the ones I work for) do not
> like leaving two letters of a word before or after a break.
I stand admonished. In German, it appears quite natural
to split off two-letter pre- and suffixes, and the English
hyphenation rules often allow it as well. I agree tha
>> I think many publishers (including the ones I work for) do not like
>> leaving two letters of a word before or after a break.
>
> I stand admonished. In German, it appears quite natural to split
> off two-letter pre- and suffixes, and the English hyphenation rules
> often allow it as well.
I
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote:
>
> > The grey is clearly superior to the unadjusted column.
>
> It appears to me that "No adjustment" column appears worse than
> it needs to because you're seriously inhibiting hyphenation...
Actually, no. This is groff behaving at its default. Th
Steve --
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014, Steve Izma wrote:
> I'm puzzled too. Some discussions I have had lately with other
> typographers indicate a general support for letterspacing. One
> font designer even suggested that there is a commonly accepted
> limit to the amount of kerning or morticing -- unfor
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014, Werner Lemberg wrote:
> Well, as Tadziu's example shows, if you simply allow some squeezing of
> the *inter-word* distances, you can get very nice results. If this
> isn't good enough, some *minimum* letterspacing might be applied, as
> done by pdftex.
>
> Not doing the form
On 3/27/14, Peter Schaffter wrote:
> I think what we all want from groff is a better approach to
> automatic formatting for general purpose, the-client-doesn't-want-
> to-pay-a-fortune typesetting. Concurrently, we don't want to fight
> with the program when fine typography is called for.
That's
> Actually, no. This is groff behaving at its default.
Strange. The two loosest lines in the left column would
be somewhat alleviated by hyphenating "given" (loosening
that comparatively tight line and tightening the very loose
previous line), and "recourse" (likewise). Indeed, when
I tried to
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote:
>
> > So there are two readily-available methods: varying
> > letter-spacing, or varying inter-word spacing.
>
Not "or" -- "and". Most times, I opt for word-spacing adjustments.
The reason for my comparison was only to show that deft use of
letters
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014, Boss Hog wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 03:34:27AM -0500, Dave Kemper wrote:
> >
> > My feeling is that the quality of the line-breaking algorithm is something
> > that will be noticed by typography nerds, but the difficulty of installing
> > new typefaces...
Have you chec
Tadziu --
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote:
> I tried to approximate your typeset example, groff did
> hyphenate those words. Maybe we have different defaults?
We do. Didn't cross my mind to change them. One of those things
you tend to forget about over time.
At any rate, I want t
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 19:29:13 -0400
Peter Schaffter wrote:
> Would it not make more sense to have groff, more or less as-is,
> shoulder more of the burden of what we do manually, *using the same
> strategies*, to achieve better *lines*, rather than focussing on
> the whole paragraph?
This is an e
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014, James K. Lowden wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 19:29:13 -0400
> Peter Schaffter wrote:
>
> > Would it not make more sense to have groff, more or less as-is,
> > shoulder more of the burden of what we do manually, *using the same
> > strategies*, to achieve better *lines*, rath
> We all agree groff's paragraph formatting needs an overhaul, but is
> Knuth the right way to go?
This is an interesting question that needs research, I guess. What
alternatives do exist?
> Overall, the principle [of KP] is sound. If we could wave a magic
> wand and get groff to do this, I do
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