Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-26 Thread Bernd Warken
> Von: "Werner LEMBERG" > > > >> I will move all man-pages where I'm among the authors from FDL to > >> GPL. > > > > Out of curiousity, can you do that without the other authors' explicit > > agreement? > > Actually, the authors have assigned the copyright to the FSF, so Bernd > has to ask the FSF

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-26 Thread Daode
Werner LEMBERG wrote: |> i.e., let me write \*[ITEM] even if that was a macro not a string. |> (Or has something adorable happened since then.) | |I don't understand your (probably sarcastic?) comment. That \*[ITEM] |can call either a macro or a string is a feature which can be useful |some

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-26 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
[snip] > do i have to change my version check [...] to 1.20 for this to work? This has worked for ages already in Unix troff (because macros and strings share the same namespace), and my guess is in groff as well. It might just not have been documented.

[Groff] extended font macro

2013-01-26 Thread Bernd Warken
In man-pages I you the following macro definition: .\" .\" .FONT ([ ...]) .\" .\" Print in different fonts: R, I, B, CR, CI, CB .\" .de1 FONT . if (\\n[.$] = 0) \{\ . nop \&\f[]\& . return . \} . ds result \& . w

[Groff] Is mmse really functional?

2013-01-26 Thread Mats Erik Andersson
Dear all, I have tried to convince -mmse into producing a letter to my liking with Debian, FreeBSD, OpenSolaris, and OpenIndiana, but they all fail. The immediate problem is that the header never s printed to the right, position T4, in letter SVH. Could a friendly soul inform me whether -mmse has

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-26 Thread Daode
Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: |[snip] |> do i have to change my version check [...] to 1.20 for this to work? | |This has worked for ages already in Unix troff (because macros and |strings share the same namespace), and my guess is in groff as well. |It might just not have been documented. It defi

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> |This has worked for ages already in Unix troff (because macros and > |strings share the same namespace), and my guess is in groff as > |well. It might just not have been documented. > > It definitely wasn't, [...] Macros called with \* is indeed nothing new. However, having arguments lik

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-26 Thread Daode
Werner LEMBERG wrote: |Macros called with \* is indeed nothing new. However, having |arguments like | | \*[foo arg1 arg2 ...] | |is what I've added some years ago. It'll allow me to rewrite terrible code. |Werner --steffen

Re: [Groff] Is mmse really functional?

2013-01-26 Thread Schindler Patrik
Am 26.01.2013 um 14:05 schrieb Mats Erik Andersson: Could a friendly soul inform me whether -mmse has falled behind due to continued development of -mm, or if there be some other likely cause? Please provide example source code and the output as PDF. We can help better, then. :wq! PoC

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-26 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Bernd, Bernd Warken wrote on Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 05:17:07PM +0100: > I will move all man-pages where I'm among the authors from FDL to GPL. > > Next I will transform all GPL man-pages into the following structure: [...] > Near the end of the man-page file the following sections are added: >

Re: [Groff] extended font macro

2013-01-26 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hello Bernd, Bernd Warken wrote on Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 03:44:55PM +0100: [...] > Examples: > .FONT I text1 R text2 I text3 R text4 > is equivalent to .IR text1 text2 text3 text4 I don't particularly like the idea; changing the font for individual strings is very low level manipulation. Groff d

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-26 Thread Bernd Warken
> Von: "Ingo Schwarze" > > Hi Bernd, > > Bernd Warken wrote on Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 05:17:07PM +0100: > > > I will move all man-pages where I'm among the authors from FDL to GPL. > > > > Next I will transform all GPL man-pages into the following structure: > [...] > > Near the end of the man-pa

Re: [Groff] extended font macro

2013-01-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Bernd, your macro looks nice, however, ... > Maybe we could rename .FONT or .FT and add it to the man macros in > an-old.tmac. ... Ingo has answered this, and I share his concerns. Unfortunately, we have to stay conservative here, more or less. If at all, this could be added to `an-ext.tmac'

Re: [Groff] extended font macro

2013-01-26 Thread Bernd Warken
> Von: "Ingo Schwarze" > > Bernd Warken wrote on Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 03:44:55PM +0100: > > [...] > > Examples: > > .FONT I text1 R text2 I text3 R text4 > > is equivalent to .IR text1 text2 text3 text4 > > I don't particularly like the idea; changing the font for individual > strings is very lo

Re: [Groff] extended font macro

2013-01-26 Thread Bernd Warken
> Von: "Werner LEMBERG" > > your macro looks nice, however, ... > > > Maybe we could rename .FONT or .FT and add it to the man macros in > > an-old.tmac. > > ... Ingo has answered this, and I share his concerns. Unfortunately, > we have to stay conservative here, more or less. If at all, this

Re: [Groff] extended font macro

2013-01-26 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> Groff does have established syntax for that, namely \fItext1 > \fRtext2 \fItext3 \fRtext4. [...] it is how roff syntax looks > like: this century is not the right time to change basic roff > syntax. I disagree. While this is legal, it is not "established". In fact, the recommended way to chan

Re: [Groff] extended font macro

2013-01-26 Thread Clarke Echols
On 01/26/2013 04:23 PM, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: Groff does have established syntax for that, namely \fItext1 \fRtext2 \fItext3 \fRtext4. [...] it is how roff syntax looks like: this century is not the right time to change basic roff syntax. I disagree. While this is legal, it is not "establi

Re: [Groff] extended font macro

2013-01-26 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013, Clarke Echols wrote: > I was able to eliminate nearly all \f* in-line coding, and the The \f* looks rather more like an "explitive deleted" than a font request. Was that intentional? :) -- Peter Schaffter http://www.schaffter.ca

Re: [Groff] extended font macro

2013-01-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> > .FONT I text1 R text2 I text3 R text4 >> > is equivalent to .IR text1 text2 text3 text4 >> >> I don't particularly like the idea; changing the font for >> individual strings is very low level manipulation. Groff does have >> established syntax for that, namely \fItext1 \fRtext2 \fItext3 >> \