Re: Setting lines individually vs by paragraph (was Re: widows vs orphans)

2023-06-25 Thread Oliver Corff
Sorry, the summer heat deteriorates my visual spell-checking performance: 1. s/wether/whether/ 2. s/\/upon/ Please accept my apologies, Oliver. On 25/06/2023 21:44, Oliver Corff wrote: debates about the "paragraph-at-once" algorithms (which have never worked in a satisfying way to me when I

Re: Setting lines individually vs by paragraph (was Re: widows vs orphans)

2023-06-25 Thread Oliver Corff
debates about the "paragraph-at-once" algorithms (which have never worked in a satisfying way to me when I have needed to typeset with TeX). Accepting that no algorithm will produce perfect results, the question isn't whether paragraph-at-once algorithms obviate the need for human intervention, b

Setting lines individually vs by paragraph (was Re: widows vs orphans)

2023-06-25 Thread Dave Kemper
On 6/15/23, Steve Izma wrote: > One of its main > points was to argue in favour of final aesthetic adjustments > being made by humans as opposed to algorithms. Well, of course the HUMAN typographer thinks that. ;-> > debates about the "paragraph-at-once" algorithms (which have > never worked in

Re: widows vs orphans

2023-06-25 Thread Dave Kemper
On 6/15/23, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > At 2023-06-15T15:10:41-0400, Peter Schaffter wrote: >> I learned the following when I was an apprentice typesetter: >> "Widows have no future and orphans have no past." > > If "future" and "past" mean "words {after, before} them on the page", > then I find

Re: widows vs orphans

2023-06-15 Thread Steve Izma
On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 03:40:47PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Subject: Re: widows vs orphans > > At 2023-06-15T13:41:38-0500, Dave Kemper wrote: > > Although Wikipedia says there's no agreement on the > > definitions of "widow" and "

Re: widows vs orphans

2023-06-15 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2023-06-15T13:41:38-0500, Dave Kemper wrote: > Although Wikipedia says there's no agreement on the definitions of > "widow" and "orphan" > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widows_and_orphans), web research has > led me to conclude that there's a stronger consensus than Wikipedia > credits: that orp

Re: widows vs orphans

2023-06-15 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Thu, Jun 15, 2023, Dave Kemper wrote: > ...web research has led me to conclude that there's a stronger > consensus than Wikipedia credits: that orphans are at page bottom > and widows at page top. > What do our resident typographers regard as a widow and an orphan? Without wanting to be pressc

Re: widows vs orphans

2023-06-15 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> What do our resident typographers regard as a widow and an orphan? Not an expert, but I thought the mnemonic was that orphans become isolated at the beginning of their lives, and widows at the end of their lives. Correspondingly, an orphan is the first line of a paragraph that gets separated

widows vs orphans

2023-06-15 Thread Dave Kemper
Although Wikipedia says there's no agreement on the definitions of "widow" and "orphan" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widows_and_orphans), web research has led me to conclude that there's a stronger consensus than Wikipedia credits: that orphans are at page bottom and widows at page top. As two da