On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:24 PM Alejandro Colomar
wrote:
> $ sudo make install-man prefix=/opt/local/man/xz___ -j LINK_PAGES=symlink
> Z=.xz XZFLAGS= | wc -l
Small nitpick here as Kerin's recommended pb=0 isn't actually used.
https://bugs.gentoo.org/169260#c19 (from Kerin) suggests that w
Hi all,
After the suggestion by Ralph of trying .lz, Sam's comment about .xz),
and Kerin's comment about tuning the compression parameters, I decided
to try out everything at once, so we can see the effects of the
alternatives.
TL;DR: For manual pages, use uncompressed source, or gzip(1).
On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:13:13 +0100
Sam James wrote:
>
> Alejandro Colomar writes:
>
> > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]]
> > [Added back linux-man@, and people that commented on this (sub)topic]
> > [Added Sam, I've got a question for you]
> >
> > Hi Alexis,
> >
> > Please keep (at least) linux-m
Alejandro Colomar writes:
> [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]]
> [Added back linux-man@, and people that commented on this (sub)topic]
> [Added Sam, I've got a question for you]
>
> Hi Alexis,
>
> Please keep (at least) linux-man@ in the loop.
>
> On 4/9/23 08:44, Alexis wrote:
>>
>> As a related da
[dropping some people I recognize from the groff list from CC]
At 2023-04-09T14:17:57+0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> - Using plain man(7) source is blazingly fast. So much that I
>don't miss mdoc(7)'s indexability so much.
>
> However, I must admit that I do miss mdoc(7)'s power sometimes
On 4/9/23 14:29, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 09, 2023 at 02:05:08PM +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
>> Important note: Sam, are you sure you want your pages compressed
>> with bz2? Have you seen the 10 seconds it takes man-db's man(1) to
>> find a word in the pages? I suggest that at leas
On Sun, Apr 09, 2023 at 02:05:08PM +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> Important note: Sam, are you sure you want your pages compressed
> with bz2? Have you seen the 10 seconds it takes man-db's man(1) to
> find a word in the pages? I suggest that at least you try to
> reproduce these tests in your
On 4/9/23 14:05, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> [Added back linux-man@, and people that commented on this (sub)topic]
> [Added Sam, I've got a question for you]
>
> Hi Alexis,
>
> Please keep (at least) linux-man@ in the loop.
>
> On 4/9/23 08:44, Alexis wrote:
>>
>> As a related data point, i'd l
[Added back linux-man@, and people that commented on this (sub)topic]
[Added Sam, I've got a question for you]
Hi Alexis,
Please keep (at least) linux-man@ in the loop.
On 4/9/23 08:44, Alexis wrote:
>
> As a related data point, i'd like to mention Gentoo's position on
> this, i.e. that man pa
Alejandro Colomar writes:
Colin, I've had a feeling for a long time that compressed pages
are
not very useful. These days, storage is cheap. How would you
feel
about having the man pages installed uncompressed in Debian?
That
would allow running text tools directly in /usr/share/man/.
I'
Hi Eli,
On 4/8/23 15:42, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:02:59 +0200
>> Cc: d...@gouders.net, linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texi...@gnu.org,
>> nabijaczlew...@nabijaczleweli.xyz, g.branden.robin...@gmail.com,
>> groff@gnu.org
>> From: Alejandro Colomar
>>
>> If you want how s
Hi Colin,
On 4/8/23 15:47, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 03:02:59PM +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
>> Colin, I've had a feeling for a long time that compressed pages are
>> not very useful. These days, storage is cheap. How would you feel
>> about having the man pages installed
On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 03:02:59PM +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> Colin, I've had a feeling for a long time that compressed pages are
> not very useful. These days, storage is cheap. How would you feel
> about having the man pages installed uncompressed in Debian? That
> would allow running t
> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:02:59 +0200
> Cc: d...@gouders.net, linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texi...@gnu.org,
> nabijaczlew...@nabijaczleweli.xyz, g.branden.robin...@gmail.com,
> groff@gnu.org
> From: Alejandro Colomar
>
> If you want how symlinks are dereferenced by find(1):
>
> $ man find
Hi Eli, Colin,
On 4/8/23 09:05, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 00:01:08 +0200
>> Cc: d...@gouders.net, linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texi...@gnu.org,
>> наб ,
>> "G. Branden Robinson" , groff ,
>> Colin Watson
>> From: Alejandro Colomar
>>
>>> How do you find the description
Hi Branden,
> You're referring to cat pages. As far as I know, these are on their
> way out if not already gone.
catman must die. It was never a good solution to the problem. As well
as ignoring different TERMs, it also didn't handle a user's variations
to a terminal's definition. I'm glad to
> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 00:01:08 +0200
> Cc: d...@gouders.net, linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texi...@gnu.org,
> наб ,
> "G. Branden Robinson" , groff ,
> Colin Watson
> From: Alejandro Colomar
>
> > How do you find the description of, say, "dereference symbolic link"
> > (to take just a ran
Hi Eli,
On 4/6/23 10:11, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 03:10:59 +0200
>> Cc: d...@gouders.net, linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texi...@gnu.org
>> From: Alejandro Colomar
>>
>>> This last sentence is a misunderstanding. The goal of Texinfo is not
>>> to improve the man pages. Tex
Hi Branden,
On 4/7/23 04:18, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> At 2023-04-06T03:10:59+0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
>> Hmm, now that I think, it's probably an issue of coordinating man(1)
>> and less(1). I sometimes wish that when I resize a window where I'm
>> reading a man page, it would reformat t
Hi Gavin,
On 4/7/23 21:28, Gavin Smith wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 07, 2023 at 09:04:03PM +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
>> $ time man -w gcc | xargs zcat | groff -man -Tutf8 2>/dev/null >/dev/null
>>
>> real 0m0.406s
>> user 0m0.534s
>> sys 0m0.042s
>>
>> But as others said, I don't really care about
On Fri, Apr 07, 2023 at 09:04:03PM +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> $ time man -w gcc | xargs zcat | groff -man -Tutf8 2>/dev/null >/dev/null
>
> real 0m0.406s
> user 0m0.534s
> sys 0m0.042s
>
> But as others said, I don't really care about the time it takes to format
> the entire document,
Hi!
On 4/7/23 17:06, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2023 09:43:19 -0500
>> From: "G. Branden Robinson"
>> Cc: alx.manpa...@gmail.com, d...@gouders.net, cjwat...@debian.org,
>> linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texi...@gnu.org, groff@gnu.org
>>
>> ...which brings me to the other facto
On Fri, Apr 07, 2023 at 09:43:19AM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> At 2023-04-07T09:36:10+0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > From: "G. Branden Robinson"
> [re-running *roff when a viewing a man page and resizing the terminal]
> > > Seems like it shouldn't be impossible to me, but what I imagine
On Fri, Apr 07, 2023 at 06:06:39PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2023 09:43:19 -0500
> > From: "G. Branden Robinson"
> > Cc: alx.manpa...@gmail.com, d...@gouders.net, cjwat...@debian.org,
> > linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texi...@gnu.org, groff@gnu.org
> >
> > ...which br
> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2023 09:43:19 -0500
> From: "G. Branden Robinson"
> Cc: alx.manpa...@gmail.com, d...@gouders.net, cjwat...@debian.org,
> linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texi...@gnu.org, groff@gnu.org
>
> ...which brings me to the other factor, of which I'm more confident: man
> page rend
[adding Colin Watson to CC to solicit his man(1) implementation
knowledge; adding the groff list as this sub-discussion is relevant to
its interests]
At 2023-04-07T09:36:10+0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > From: "G. Branden Robinson"
[re-running *roff when a viewing a man page and resizing the term
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