Re: Re: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2007-01-03 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 03/01/2007, at 9:18 AM, Clarke Echols wrote: It is important to minimize clutter at the start of the page. and later on :-) the old AT&T page which combined them with a NAME line: cp, mv, ln \- copy, link, or move files Yeah, we had the same thing on our then top-of-the-world SGI syst

Re: Re: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2007-01-02 Thread Clarke Echols
Here are some examples of what I did back in 1992 in the HP-UX Reference manual. This is a good example of my thinking in what makes a "useful" manpage: http://docs.hp.com/en/B2355-90128/cp.1.html I reviewed my copy of the entire manual (3000 pages, 1450 files) and did not find any case wher

Re: Re: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2007-01-02 Thread M Bianchi
> On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 11:32:11AM -0500, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > Gunnar Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > > ... and "don't write multiple description lines". > > Multiple description lines? > I'm talking about name sections like this: > > NAME >bzip2, bunzi

Re: Re: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2007-01-01 Thread Gunnar Ritter
M Bianchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This would seem be argue for structural macros. E.g. > > .SH NAME > .NamePurpose "bzip2, bunzip2" "a block-sorting file compressor, v1.0.3" > .NamePurpose "bzcat" "decompresses files to stdout" > .NamePurpose "bzip2recover""recovers da

Re: Re: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2007-01-01 Thread Eric S. Raymond
M Bianchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > But that form is _so_ much easier to read and understand, especially for the > novice! That, to my mind, is the overriding goal of the exercise. I agree. Unfortunately, I can't fix this. If the DocBook DTD were to loosen so this were allowed, I would support it

Re: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2007-01-01 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Gunnar Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I've described the two extensions I think would be merited. The sort > > of good-practice guidelines I nean are things like "don't use troff > > requests outside the safe set" and "don't put running-text notes in a > > synopsis section" and "don't write multi

Re: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2007-01-01 Thread Gunnar Ritter
"Eric S. Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've described the two extensions I think would be merited. The sort > of good-practice guidelines I nean are things like "don't use troff > requests outside the safe set" and "don't put running-text notes in a > synopsis section" and "don't write mu

Re: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2007-01-01 Thread Gunnar Ritter
Larry Kollar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gunnar Ritter wrote: > > >> D.E. Evans asked about an improved grohtml, or even a replacement. > >> Perhaps grohtml can be improved. > > > > grohtml is broken by concept. It is thus impossible that > > it will ever reach a satisfying state. > > This is a l

Re: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2006-12-31 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Larry Kollar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > But even if you aren't interested in generating (or converting to) > HTML, whether markup is structured or presentational basically > depends on what you call it. :-) For example, emphasis and > citations might both be rendered as italic, but that doesn't mean >

Re: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2006-12-31 Thread Larry Kollar
Gunnar Ritter wrote: D.E. Evans asked about an improved grohtml, or even a replacement. Perhaps grohtml can be improved. grohtml is broken by concept. It is thus impossible that it will ever reach a satisfying state. This is a little off the subject, but I disagree. I'm already using grohtm

Re: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2006-12-30 Thread mhobgood
On Dec 30, 2006, at 5:28 PM, Gunnar Ritter wrote: mhobgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's the 21st century, all the documentation on my system ought to present as a hypertexted local Web through my browser. Subject two. That is your personal preference. Myself, I'm quite happy to use ot

Re: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2006-12-30 Thread Gunnar Ritter
mhobgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's the 21st century, all the documentation on my system ought to > > present as a hypertexted local Web through my browser. > > Subject two. That is your personal preference. Myself, I'm quite > happy to use other forms for documentation; forms that

RE: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2006-12-30 Thread Susan Jolly
Michael D. Hobgood wrote on 12-30-2006: >Subject two. That [hypertext] is your personal preference. Myself, I'm quite >happy to use other forms for documentation; forms that do not invoke >my browser at all. You have my best wishes to continue in good health such that you can continue to