Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2007-01-01 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Deri James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 3. The 'man' page author intends to present technical information in the way > he thinks it will be easiest for the audience to absorb, i.e. he will be more > interested in presentation and content than structure. He'll be interested in content, yes. But I don'

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2007-01-01 Thread Deri James
On Monday 01 January 2007 19:52, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Here is a slightly expanded version of a diagram I posted back towards > the beginning of the discussion: > [...] > > The box in the middle is intended to indicate the use of DocBook as a > common interchange format. I may have, on occasion

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2007-01-01 Thread Gunnar Ritter
Larry Kollar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reading the discussion, I feel like Bernd's objection is based on a > perception that ESR wants to *replace* groff -man with DocBook, where > I believe he wants to use DocBook as an *interchange* format for all > system documentation. But this is no

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2007-01-01 Thread Gunnar Ritter
Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Statements like yours are usually coming from ideological followers > > of the GNU project, not from GNU developers. I am under the > > impression that all you want is to defend your macros just because > > they are yours, and resort to non-technical

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2007-01-01 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Larry Kollar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Reading the discussion, I feel like Bernd's objection is based on a > perception that ESR wants to *replace* groff -man with DocBook, where > I believe he wants to use DocBook as an *interchange* format for all > system documentation. That is correct. It

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2007-01-01 Thread Larry Kollar
When the slime is replaced back to reason more will come. Interesting sentiment. Very German. Hey, he is not the only German participating here. Which I think might have something to do with the heat level. I've been on this list for a while, and I know Bernd isn't ignorant. He may have

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2007-01-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Statements like yours are usually coming from ideological followers > of the GNU project, not from GNU developers. I am under the > impression that all you want is to defend your macros just because > they are yours, and resort to non-technical bullshit since you are > lacking technical argument

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2007-01-01 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Gunnar Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Interesting sentiment. Very German. > > Hey, he is not the only German participating here. Sorry :-). -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond ___ Groff mailing list Groff@gnu.org http://l

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2007-01-01 Thread Gunnar Ritter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > There has never been any IETF RFP, nor ANSI/ISO/W3C committee work. > > Thus, there is no de jure standard here, only a de facto one. > > It is the GNU standard, so it is the standard in the world of free software. > We spit on all commerci

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2007-01-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > Interesting sentiment. Very German. > > Hey, he is not the only German participating here. Hehe. I'm Austrian :-) Werner ___ Groff mailing list Groff@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/groff

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2007-01-01 Thread Gunnar Ritter
"Eric S. Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When the slime is replaced back to reason more will come. > > Interesting sentiment. Very German. Hey, he is not the only German participating here. Gunnar ___ Groff mailing list Groff@gnu.org

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2006-12-31 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> You have to solve your own problems instead of killing other good > projects. > > [...] > > When the slime is replaced back to reason more will come. Bernd, please soften your tone. It's not helpful. Eric has valid concerns. Remember that you do funny hops in groffer to cater for a bunch o

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2006-12-31 Thread Eric S. Raymond
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > You have to solve your own problems instead of killing other good projects. Right, which is why the groff pages need to be fixed so as not to kill XMan, TkMan, Rosetta, and all other third-party viewers. My doclifter is not even really the issue here, it's

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2006-12-31 Thread groff-bernd . warken-72
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > There has never been any IETF RFP, nor ANSI/ISO/W3C committee work. > Thus, there is no de jure standard here, only a de facto one. It is the GNU standard, so it is the standard in the world of free software. We spit on all commercial standards. We use them to extend t

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2006-12-31 Thread Eric S. Raymond
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > That's not the fault of groff, but you are not willing to accept the > standard. There has never been any IETF RFP, nor ANSI/ISO/W3C committee work. Thus, there is no de jure standard here, only a de facto one. In any case, I already said I would be willi

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2006-12-31 Thread Gunnar Ritter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It's not a bug, it's part of the standard. `grohtml' is able to transform > all > man pages indluding your enemies to a beautiful html output. So this > should also be possible for XML. > > How about integrating `doclifter' into `groff' as generater for `docbook' > o

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2006-12-31 Thread groff-bernd . warken-72
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Bernd Warken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > `doclifter' should be fixed to handle this correctly. I cannot > > detect any necessity for a "safe" list. I will not fall back to the > > old scheme of 2 letter variable names. > > I opened this discussion because, for just eigh

Re: [Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2006-12-30 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Bernd Warken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > `doclifter' should be fixed to handle this correctly. I cannot > detect any necessity for a "safe" list. I will not fall back to the > old scheme of 2 letter variable names. I opened this discussion because, for just eight pages out of over 13,000, adding the

[Groff] doclifter on groffer.man

2006-12-30 Thread Bernd Warken
In /contrib/groffer/perl, I called doclifter groffer.man and got the following error message: "groffer.man", line 32: error: attempt to alias undefined name groffer:Shell_cmd_base.prompt_font\" "groffer.man", line 33: error: attempt to alias undefined name groffer:Shell_cmd.prompt_text\" "grof