Re: [Groff] [groff] mission statement 3

2014-03-28 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Ralph Corderoy : > Perhaps [ideal has] become available since then as part of one of their > re-licensings? I can find no evidence of any such happy development on the web. > Are you aware of > > http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cstr/103.ps.gz, > CSTR #103, C. J. Van Wyk, Bell Labs, Decembe

Re: [Groff] [groff] mission statement 3

2014-03-28 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi, Doug wrote: > There is one property of TeX (and HTML) that's worth emulating: > recursive nesting. It's a challenge to the preprocessor model (eqn, > tbl, pic), but one that deserves serious consideration. How about > letting "preprocessors" be called by piping segments out and back, not > o

Re: [Groff] [groff] mission statement 3

2014-03-28 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Eric, Doug wrote: > > In pic, the thing I miss most is polygons (preferably allowing arcs > > and splines as edges) that can be filled. After that, the next step > > is a big one: lightweight constraint-based drawing; Van Wyk's Ideal > > (SIGPLAN Notices 16:6) is a proof of concept. Can that b

Re: [Groff] [groff] mission statement 3

2014-03-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> The biggest culprit is info--a maddeningly archaic facility to which > Gnu clings tenaciously. Unless it can be foreseen how new man > macros would displace texinfo from its throne, the exercise will > largely be in vain. I think this is a bit unfair. Given that info was essentially the first

Re: [Groff] [groff] mission statement 3

2014-03-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Doug McIlroy : > I agree that good candidates for updating the man macros are likely > to be found among the readership of this mailing list. However, > the biggest problem with man pages is that people don't write them. > groff_mom(7) is a recent example--all it does is point somewhere > else. The

Re: [Groff] [groff] mission statement 3

2014-03-25 Thread Doug McIlroy
I have just seen that these comments, which have been gestating for some time, are somewhat outdated by the appearance of mission statement 3. Still I think they may be of some use. Mission statement 2 begins with a precis of what groff is, but no | overt expression of the purpose of the groff