Re: [groff] Loss of MSVC support

2019-02-13 Thread Doug McIlroy
> https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow I wasn't aware of GOW. A quick look at the contents suggests to me that what's lightweight about it is the absence of gcc, bash, and curses (though it includes "less", a poster child for featuritis). Am I selling it short? Doug

Re: [groff] Loss of MSVC support

2019-02-13 Thread John Gardner
> Sorry for the false accusation about GOW lacking bash. I was in the middle of pointing out it has Bash . ;-) And, indeed, it does lack gcc and curses I'm afraid. > Am I selling it short? Possibly. But it provides the whole Unix toolcha

Re: [groff] Loss of MSVC support

2019-02-13 Thread Doug McIlroy
Sorry for the false accusation about GOW lacking bash. What it lacks is anything called sh. My roots are exposed.

Re: [groff] Loss of MSVC support

2019-02-13 Thread John Gardner
> I run groff on windows a lot, but via cygwin, which I > believe means that mainline POSIX stuff works. I am > inclined to think that if you like the groff toolset, > you are likely to want other Unix capability, too, > and thus gravitate towards facilities like cygwin. I admit I don't have much

[groff] Loss of MSVC support

2019-02-13 Thread Doug McIlroy
I run groff on windows a lot, but via cygwin, which I believe means that mainline POSIX stuff works. I am inclined to think that if you like the groff toolset, you are likely to want other Unix capability, too, and thus gravitate towards facilities like cygwin.

Re: [groff] Loss of MSVC support

2019-02-13 Thread Keith Marshall
On 13/02/19 21:00, Doug McIlroy wrote: > I run groff on windows a lot, but via cygwin, which emulates > Unix. I am inclined to think that if you like the groff toolset, > you are likely to want other Unix capability, too, and thus > gravitate towards facilities like cygwin. > > I take it that Keit

[groff] Loss of MSVC support

2019-02-13 Thread Doug McIlroy
I run groff on windows a lot, but via cygwin, which emulates Unix. I am inclined to think that if you like the groff toolset, you are likely to want other Unix capability, too, and thus gravitate towards facilities like cygwin. I take it that Keith uses groff on bare Windows without a Unix veneer.

Re: [groff] Loss of MSVC support

2019-02-13 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: groff@gnu.org > From: Keith Marshall > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 03:01:38 + > > > You seem to be saying that we *cannot* require C99/POSIX conformance > > from toolchains on target systems without critical breakage. > > That's exactly what I'm saying. POSIX requires fork(2); Windows does