Re: [Groff] Add --with-doc configuration option

2014-03-17 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> find below something that adds the mentioned options and also tweaks > the make system a bit [...] Excellent, thanks a lot! To be able to apply this to the repository, I need a copyright disclaimer (sent privately). As soon as I get a confirmation from the FSF clerk, I will have a more detail

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-17 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Groff throws a *lot* of curves like that at users, particularly > macro writers. The problem extends beyond the simply incorrect > computation > > .nr temp 7/3 --> \n[temp]=2 Well, `.nr' defines an integer register, so this is really OK. On the other hand, depending on the register, `\n'

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-17 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Peter Schaffter : > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014, Deri James wrote: > > The stated goal for this is to enable doclifter to be able to > > work better, so that manual pages are on the web, can be browsed > > and navigated by clicking on links. Does it require doclifter to > > achieve this? What if we come

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-17 Thread James K. Lowden
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:49:49 -0400 Peter Schaffter wrote: > Serving PDF manuals from the web has drawbacks, possibly > serious ones: it assumes an installed PDF reader, and there's > significant latency involved with firing one up. In 2014, is there a single web browser remaining not configured

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-17 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014, Deri James wrote: > The stated goal for this is to enable doclifter to be able to > work better, so that manual pages are on the web, can be browsed > and navigated by clicking on links. Does it require doclifter to > achieve this? What if we come from the other direction an

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-17 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014, Ted Harding wrote: > In this reply, I would like to comment on my principal need for > replacing integer arithmetic... Your description of the hoops you have to jump through to get groff/eqn to perform in what, sadly, is still a suboptimal manner was terrific. I couldn't dec

Re: [Groff] how to use groffer

2014-03-17 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Bernd, > > I've not used it, but a look at the man page suggests > > > > groffer --debug --ps table > > > > might help? Or > > > > strace -fe trace=execve groffer --ps table > > > > to show all the commands it's running and where it might be getting > > stuck? > > It seems that th

Re: [Groff] Mission statement, second draft

2014-03-17 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Peter Schaffter : > Here's the second draft of the mission statement, incorporating > suggestions from Ingo, Eric, Pierre-Jean, and others. It's starting > to come into focus, although a third pass will probably be necessary > before we commit to it. I'm OK with this version. --

[Groff] Mission statement, second draft

2014-03-17 Thread Peter Schaffter
Here's the second draft of the mission statement, incorporating suggestions from Ingo, Eric, Pierre-Jean, and others. It's starting to come into focus, although a third pass will probably be necessary before we commit to it. I've dropped all mention of the build system, which, as was pointed out,

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-17 Thread Deri James
On Mon 17 Mar 2014 19:11:50 Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > http://chuzzlewit.co.uk:8080/cgi-bin/WebManPDF.pl/man:/groff_mdoc > > This is amazing! Wonderful! I like it a lot. Indeed, viewing man > pages this way makes fun. > > What software is this? I've never seen before such a system. Can you >

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-17 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> http://chuzzlewit.co.uk:8080/cgi-bin/WebManPDF.pl/man:/groff_mdoc This is amazing! Wonderful! I like it a lot. Indeed, viewing man pages this way makes fun. What software is this? I've never seen before such a system. Can you give more details? Werner

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-17 Thread Deri James
On Fri 14 Mar 2014 23:26:46 Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > Manpages > > > > > > > > - improve the semantic usefulness of manpage markup; groff currently > > > > formats manpages for TTYs and PostScript from largely > > presentational markup, however increased use of browsers > > necessitates par

Re: [Groff] automatic equation numbering

2014-03-17 Thread Ted Harding
On 17-Mar-2014 13:56:56 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >>From ted.hard...@wlandres.net Sun Mar 16 01:01:31 2014 >> >>Here is a suggestion (it's a technique I use systematically for >>the purpose you describe). The following is in the context of ms >>macros, though the same (or possibly a slight variant

Re: [Groff] automatic equation numbering

2014-03-17 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
>From ted.hard...@wlandres.net Sun Mar 16 01:01:31 2014 > >Here is a suggestion (it's a technique I use systematically for >the purpose you describe). The following is in the context of ms >macros, though the same (or possibly a slight variant) should work >for other macro sets. > >**I first define

Re: [Groff] Manpages, groff, and the browser.

2014-03-17 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Pierre-Jean : > > Actively supporting is empty verbiage unless you have a mechanical > > translator from man(7) markup to semantically enriched mdoc(7). You > > don't, and I know exactly why you don't, because I wrote the pattern > > analyzer you would need and don't have. > > Eric is wright: if d

Re: [Groff] Manpages, groff, and the browser.

2014-03-17 Thread Pierre-Jean
Hello alls, Kristaps Dzonsons wrote: > Even if groff(1) could do as above, and somehow carry over the original > macro language's "meaning", it'd be only as good as its input language. > To wit, Eric proposed extending man(7) with semantics to address > exactly that. And that would give u