> > Why not
> >
> > /usr/local/share/doc/grap/examples ?
> >
> > Additionally, the former location can't be controlled with an
> > option to the configure script.
>
> I develop on FreeBSD, and this is where FreeBSD expects examples
> according to hier(9). But, as you rightly point o
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 08:19:04AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
>
> > If you get a chance, have a look at
> > http://www.lunabase.org/~faber/Vault/software/grap/grap-1.38pre.tar.gz
> > unless I hear very bad news from you or my bug reporter, I'm going to
> > roll this out in the next few days.
>
Thanks for the close reading of the examples file.
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 08:13:48AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
>
> > If you get a chance, have a look at
> > http://www.lunabase.org/~faber/Vault/software/grap/grap-1.38pre.tar.gz
> > unless I hear very bad news from you or my bug reporter, I'm
Although I've been using t/groff for almost 30 years (all my
word/text processing, including letters (with PostScript
letterheads), memos, academic papers, and lecture handouts and PDF
overheads (using the present package for the mm macros), using
PostScript output to the printer and for making PDF
On 11/03/2006, at 9:03 AM, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote:
How about this:
.de mysp
.nr myspcnr (v;\\$1)
..
.de myspcmac
.sp \\n[myspcnr]u
..
.blm myspcmac
and then just say
.mysp .4
if you want small spacing, or
.mysp 1
if you want larger spacing, etc.
Ted, Werner, Tadziu: t
Dear All,
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
... I would like to say that, whatever
additional fonts become available with groff, the standard Adobe
fonts should remain the default.
You are probably misunderstanding. We are talking about updating the
currently used Adobe metrics with
Bruno,
your changes to make the Unicode->groff name mapping work for
non-composite entities also has interesting consequences.
For example, the glyph entity \[u0078] (which people expect to be a
lowercase `x' character) is equal to \[x] -- but this is the glyph
with the name `\x', not `x', whic
Gaius,
what's the reason to represent special characters of the form \[foo]
as \(foo\) in the `x X' intermediate output command? Why not \[foo]
also? If this is possible, can you change it, please?
Reason for the question is my efforts to implement a .device request
(almost) equal to \X. All
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On 04-Mar-06 Werner LEMBERG wrote:
>> Why the skew is computed for 'x' and not for accent glyph ('\\$2')?
>
> Again, I've no idea :-) The code snippet was taken from ps.tmac,
> without analyzing it in detail. I've simply forgotten how it works.
The answer here is (or should be) that if you place
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> TeX has huge amount of time invested in 8bit fonts, 8bit encodings,
> virtual fonts - and commands to create accents by hand look natural for
> mathematicians who use them in formulae.
> TeX is not likely to go Unicode any time soon -
Ha! Are you aware that I've written the CJK package for TeX
> You can set use the /PAGELABEL PDFmark so that the PDF's idea of
> page numbers match what's printed in the headers and footers. You
> would put something like this at the top of the page:
>
> [ /Label (iii) /PAGELABEL pdfmark
>
> [...]
This is the kind of information which should be adde
> [...] >pdfmark.pdf
> AFPL Ghostscript 8.53: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1
>
> MacOSX 10.4.5, configure line is "./configure --prefix=/usr
> --mandir=/usr/ share/man" (adding "CXX=g++2" is not required for
> 10.4.x) if that makes a difference.
On my GNU/Linux box, using gs 8.53 too, pdfmark.p
Dear Werner,
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
request to groff to activate an option so that it tries to compose
missing glyphs automatically if both the base and accent
characters are available. On the other hand I'm not sure whether
this is a good thing from the typographical point
Dear Werner,
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
What PS fonts do groff fonts in devps describe?
Here a list of the AFM file versions used for creating groff's PS font
definition files.
Courier.afm: 002.004
Courier-Bold.afm: 002.004
Couri
On Friday, 10 March 2006 at 17:28:51 +0300, Michail Vidiassov wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> let us run some survey.
> Please, tell us, how do you use groff PS output.
I use PostScript output for almost everything. My book "The Complete
FreeBSD" (http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/) is written
> you select page `13' in acroread, you actually go to the page
> labeled `13' which is physical page 36 or so. To go to page
> `xiii', you have to type `xiii' in the `go to Page' dialogue.
>
> It's not clear to me that this is necessarily an improvement, if
> this behavior is unalte
> > request to groff to activate an option so that it tries to compose
> > missing glyphs automatically if both the base and accent
> > characters are available. On the other hand I'm not sure whether
> > this is a good thing from the typographical point of view.
>
> For fonts that lack compositi
Keith MARSHALL wrote:
BTW, man-1.6 has
JNROFF /path/to/groff -Tnippon -mandocj ...
in its man.conf. I haven't yet delved into the code enough to
understand what makes man select the JNROFF formatter over NROFF, but
I guess it's related in some way to the Debian Japanese patch, which
(hopef
Hi Werner,
you select page `13' in acroread, you actually go to the page labeled
`13' which is physical page 36 or so. To go to page `xiii', you have
to type `xiii' in the `go to Page' dialogue.
It's not clear to me that this is necessarily an improvement, if this
behavior is unalter
Hi Werner,
Please add a proper @thissection command
This means using marks, etc. Sorry, I don't plan to implement this any
time soon, if ever. Maybe Stepan or someone else would like to work on
it.
@thissection{} isn't in the Texinfo manual any more (and hasn't been for
years), because no
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I would like to know, if there is a standard column width, when I use
the .TS macro? The problem is, that the result of the following code is
wrapped text in the second column (independent from MANWIDTH), even if I
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"0x1000"
T} T{
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> I've been watching this thread with a little concern.
>
> Regarding Mikhail's final remark, I would like to say that, whatever
> additional fonts become available with groff, the standard Adobe
> fonts should remain the default.
You are probably misunderstanding. We are talking about updating
Running "make" on the CVS, I get this:
[everything OK up to here]
rm -f pdfmark.pdf
export GROFF_COMMAND_PREFIX; GROFF_COMMAND_PREFIX=''; export
GROFF_BIN_DIR; GROFF_BIN_DIR=/Users/larry/Projects/groff/src/roff/groff;
export GROFF_BIN_PATH; GROFF_BIN_PATH=`echo /Users/larry/Projects/
groff/src/r
Dear Werner,
when inquiring into the problem of adding more glyphs to base PS fonts,
I have got a question:
What PS fonts do groff fonts in devps describe?
Core14_AFMs.tar from Adobe has fonts with more precomposed gliphs and kern
pairs. Ghostscript fonts (URW+Filippov) have fewer glyphs (Couri
> I think the only way you can do it is on the following lines:
>
> .de mysp
> .sp 4
> ..
> .blm mysp
>
> and then you can simply redefine 'mysp' whenever you like, without
> redefining 'blm'. This is almost as compact as redefining
>
> .blm sp 6
>
> say, every time.
Setting a register will al
> > . What shall we do with `charXXX' glyph names, with 128 <= `XXX'
> > <= 255, if we are in `unicode' mode?
>
> The intent is that they are handled like undefined \[foobar]
> characters, i.e. that font::contains() returns false for them, and
> consequently some upper layers in troff will give a
The groff_ms manpage doesn't describe the header & footer macros (HT, PT,
BT). I've attached a patch containing brief descriptions of each.
-- Larry
msman.patch.gz
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Bruno Haible wrote, quoting me:
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'\" t -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
the groff driver is not intelligent enough to run preconv.
I have to activate the -k option explicitly.
>>>
>> [Quoting Werner Lemberg]:
>>> This is a feature.
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> A modern font may contain instrucions on composing glyphs from parts
> (GSUB table), but it is likely to have most of the popular glyphs
> precomposed.
GSUB can't be used for composing glyphs from parts. It can be used to
create ligatures. What you probably mean is the GPOS table. I'll
post a
I have several questions that I'd like to understand the answers
to, and I'm raising them here because others might be able to
benefit.
I have been attempting to follow Ted Harding's explanation on how
to embed encapsulated PostScript into a groff page. After some
false starts and failed attempt
Dear Werner,
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
request to groff to activate an option so that it tries to compose
missing glyphs automatically if both the base and accent characters
are available. On the other hand I'm not sure whether this is a good
thing from the typographical point
On 03/03/2006, at 9:35 PM, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote:
Now the beauty of the thing is, that when you rotate a body,
you rotate the normal vectors as well. When you translate
or scale, you translate and scale the vertices, but not
the normals. Now these "Whew!" guys transform the normals,
always.
> Now the beauty of the thing is, that when you rotate a body,
> you rotate the normal vectors as well. When you translate
> or scale, you translate and scale the vertices, but not
> the normals. Now these "Whew!" guys transform the normals,
> always.
If you scale the body anisotropically, you
On Friday 10 Mar 2006 14:28, Michail Vidiassov wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> let us run some survey.
> Please, tell us, how do you use groff PS output.
> Do you know how other people use it?
> Is it really in use?
> Do you use fonts supplied with groff or install your own font files?
>
> Werner is now des
Dear Werner,
the quesion of composing glyphs from parts has already been discussed.
Doing composition the proper way was not considered practical due to high
costs and low demand.
A modern font may contain instrucions on composing glyphs from parts (GSUB
table),
but it is likely to have most
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On 11/03/2006, at 1:28 AM, Michail Vidiassov wrote:
Dear All,
let us run some survey.
Please, tell us, how do you use groff PS output.
Do you know how other people use it?
Is it really in use?
Do you use fonts supplied with groff or install your own font files?
Werner is now desiding what to
I recently typeset a 400-page book that is going to the publisher
in the next few weeks (I am not the author). It is typeset using
groff and PostScript output. I also convert the PS to PDF for
emailing to reviewers. Font used: New Century Schoolbook: normal
bold, and italics.
I also create sli
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 2:20 pm, Larry Kollar wrote:
> Running "make" on the CVS, I get this:
>
> [everything OK up to here]
> rm -f pdfmark.pdf
> export GROFF_COMMAND_PREFIX; GROFF_COMMAND_PREFIX=''; export
> GROFF_BIN_DIR;
> GROFF_BIN_DIR=/Users/larry/Projects/groff/src/roff/groff; export
> GR
On 10-Mar-06 Michail Vidiassov wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> let us run some survey.
> Please, tell us, how do you use groff PS output.
> Do you know how other people use it?
> Is it really in use?
> Do you use fonts supplied with groff or install your own font files?
>
> Werner is now desiding what to
> Do you print groff PS output for any purposes but test?
I use groff for all my documentation (since I know the MM macros in my spine).
> But, on the other hand, may be you are printing more pages created
> with grops then the rest of humanity.
The PostScript output is what I send t
How about this:
.de mysp
.nr myspcnr (v;\\$1)
..
.de myspcmac
.sp \\n[myspcnr]u
..
.blm myspcmac
and then just say
.mysp .4
if you want small spacing, or
.mysp 1
if you want larger spacing, etc.
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On 10-Mar-06 Miklos Somogyi wrote:
> I've just discovered the `blm' macro. I think that I'll use
> it like this:
>
> .blm sp4
>
> .de sp4
> .sp .4
> ..
>
> 'cause I can read thing better with blank lines than with individual
> `.sp .4` inserts.
> Here blm has an argument, a macro. If the macro
> > Well, I have a 10 years old Apple LaserWriter printer (which comes
> > with an original Adobe PS interpreter), and I normally don't
> > create a PDF document from the PS original just for printing...
>
> Do you print groff PS output for any purposes but test?
I use this printer exclusively for
> Groff does not compile under gcc 4.1.
Thanks for the report. Please try the current CVS -- I think this has
been reported earlier, and I've already fixed those issues.
Werner
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Dear All,
let us run some survey.
Please, tell us, how do you use groff PS output.
Do you know how other people use it?
Is it really in use?
Do you use fonts supplied with groff or install your own font files?
Werner is now desiding what to consider the default font set for devps.
Sincerel
I've just discovered the `blm' macro. I think that I'll use it like
this:
.blm sp4
.de sp4
.sp .4
..
'cause I can read thing better with blank lines than with individual
`.sp .4` inserts.
Here blm has an argument, a macro. If the macro could have an argument
too:
.blm macro macro_parameter
Keith,
please update pdfroff so that the output of `pdfroff --help' goes to
stdout, not stderr.
Werner
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On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 03:26:04PM +0200, Hartmut Henkel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> there is a tiny patch to grap-1.36 (i beamed it over to the base
> actually over 2 years ago, but it somehow got lost in space), that 1.
> corrects for wrong clipping when in logscale, and 2. extends grap's
> lower display l
Groff does not compile under gcc 4.1.
You can find more detailed information at
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125666
I thought it would be better to place the url instead of copying it, because
there is more than one person with the same problem, and the page is dynamic,
so you might see
> > Do you mean the /usr/share/man/man1/grops.1 man page?
>
> No. I'm sure Werner means the src/devices/grops/grops.man file in
> the source distribution -- preferably the current version from CVS.
Well, yes, but it really doesn't matter :-)
Werner
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> > [...] you have to use the `.trf' request -- to define a macro `x'
> > which contains the contents of file `f', say
> >
> > .ev 1
> > .di x
> > . trf f
> > .di
> > .ev
> >
> > This can be then expanded with \\*f. BTW, there is a mild
> > limitation that only valid groff characters a
> Do you mean the /usr/share/man/man1/grops.1 man page?
Yes.
> I'll do it, just give me a week or two please.
Thanks in advance.
Werner
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Miklos Somogyi wrote, quoting Werner Lemberg:
>> To create them, let's assume that the original file is called
>> `foo.man.orig', and your changes are in `foo.man'. Then simply enter
>> the command
>>
>> diff -u foo.man.orig foo.man > foo.man.diff
>
> Do you mean the /usr/share/man/man1/grops.1
On 10/03/2006, at 11:22 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
Since this is the one and only example in `man grops' regarding
PostScript, I can still see some problems: [...]
Patches please :-) Users can do that far better than the
programmers...
To create them, let's assume that the original file is c
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Date: 10 March 2006 9:56:05 PM
To: Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Groff] How to pass parameters to included ps
On 24/02/2006, at 5:53 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
How would I pass arbitrary ps parameters to an
On 24/02/2006, at 6:50 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
Well, the .devicem macro will be exactly the same as \Y. To
create similar code with grops you have to use the `ps: def ...'
grops command to define a PS macro which is then executed with
`ps: exec' -- I'm sure you know that :-)
I wouldn't do
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