Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-27 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 01/27/2015 05:55 AM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: > The justification is that we are doing it wrong by defaulting to > closed decision making where not everyone can transparently see all > the discussions we have in the project. > > Great post that talks about this discussion btw and the importance

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-27 Thread Patrick Cloke
On 1/27/2015 6:29 AM, Nikos Roussos wrote: On 01/27/2015 05:55 AM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: The justification is that we are doing it wrong by defaulting to closed decision making where not everyone can transparently see all the discussions we have in the project. Great post that talks about thi

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-27 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2015-01-27 12:59 PM, Patrick Cloke wrote: From (kind of) following this thread it seems that the argument really boils down to whether it should be opt-in or opt-out. I'd intended this request to be only for product- and project-related channels, and even then to be opt-in. Blanket opt-ou

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-27 Thread Patrick Cloke
On 1/27/2015 1:12 PM, Mike Hoye wrote: On 2015-01-27 12:59 PM, Patrick Cloke wrote: From (kind of) following this thread it seems that the argument really boils down to whether it should be opt-in or opt-out. I'd intended this request to be only for product- and project-related channels, and e

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-27 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Mike Hoye wrote: > On 2015-01-27 12:59 PM, Patrick Cloke wrote: >> >> >> From (kind of) following this thread it seems that the argument really >> boils down to whether it should be opt-in or opt-out. > > I'd intended this request to be only for product- and proje

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-27 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2015-01-27 1:51 PM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Mike Hoye wrote: I'd intended this request to be only for product- and project-related channels, and even then to be opt-in. Blanket opt-out enrollment in anything doesn't really sound like us. - mhoye Opting-i

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-27 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2015-01-27 2:11 PM, Mike Hoye wrote: On 2015-01-27 1:51 PM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Mike Hoye wrote: I'd intended this request to be only for product- and project-related channels, and even then to be opt-in. Blanket opt-out enrollment in anything doesn't r

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-27 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2015-01-27 13:40 -0500, Patrick Cloke wrote: > And that's how I took it, but it seems that it was taken to mean "Let's log > everything on IRC" or (slightly less strong) "Let's log all channels". Opt-in > logging essentially matches what we have now. I'd phrase it a little differently

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-27 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2015-01-27 2:17 PM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I'm having a really hard time parsing most of the conversation here. It seems that most people are under the false impression that IRC conversations are private by default. That is not the case. That a user's expectations are based on inaccurate in

Re: proposed "commit access implementation" module

2015-01-27 Thread Gavin Sharp
I've gone ahead and noted this change in the wiki: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/Activities#Commit_Access_Implementation https://wiki.mozilla.org/Commit_Access_Implementation_module Marcia: I will let you fill in the "Peers" section as you see fit. Gavin On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Gav

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-27 Thread Majken Connor
I am also for open by default, but I think that we also need to take human behaviour into account, not just the technical possibilities. I think given how Mozilla operates, publicly (not just for Mozillians) available logs would be akin to streaming every conference room over vidyo by default. This

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-27 Thread Larissa Shapiro
Majken, This > Regarding the bots, you can set a bot to only send a message to the same > nick once, so I think that actually can be done properly. I was also on a > bug ages ago to update the message you get when you connect to the server > for the first time. This would also be a place to menti

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-27 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
On 27/01/2015 19:11, Mike Hoye wrote: On 2015-01-27 1:51 PM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Mike Hoye wrote: I'd intended this request to be only for product- and project-related channels, and even then to be opt-in. Blanket opt-out enrollment in anything doesn't rea