Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-15 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Paul Fernhout > wrote: >> The Mozilla mission page says, at the top, "We're building a better >> Internet", but then says lower down, "Our mission is to promote openness, >> innovation & opportunity on th

Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-01 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Andrew Sutherland wrote: > An important question that falls out from all of this is and your > original question is: which is more important? Mail user agency or > Thunderbird the product, especially if there are serious opportunity > costs related to Thunderbird?

Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-01 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Mitchell Baker wrote: > 7. Some Mozillians are eager to see Mozilla support community-managed > projects within our main development efforts. I am also sympathetic to this > view, with a key precondition. Community-managed projects that make the > main effort l

Re: Revision to Privacy Principles

2014-07-21 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: > This problem was present in the original, but: this implies that there's > a trade-off between safety and user experience. I don't think that's so > - you can have very usable, very privacy-respecting software. The > difficult tradeoff is

Re: Mozilla and DRM

2014-05-14 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Rubén Martín wrote: > Probably it was me, but the article wording was too complex and didn't > summarize what Boris wrote: > * Not shipping it by default (the CDM module). > * Requiring explicit user content before downloading the CDM. > * Insisting on a CDM

Re: Mozilla and DRM

2014-05-14 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: > There was a town hall about this earlier today. Did the invite not reach > you? A lot of this was already discussed. I only received an email from Brian King ~3h ago, via Reps-General. IIRC there was no Mozillians-wide email. Cheers, Dir

Re: sponsored new tab tiles - please tell me this is a (bad) joke

2014-02-13 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Majken Connor wrote: > I added some questions for the town hall to the moderator, but I have a > thought that is not a question and won't fit into 140 char anyway. Mitchell addressed a bunch of these posts in a blog post: https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2014/02/

Re: sponsored new tab tiles - please tell me this is a (bad) joke

2014-02-12 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57618750-92/mozilla-to-sell-new-tab-page-ads-in-firefox/ This doesn't seem actually very negative, as I read it. Am I reading it that differently? Cheers, Dirkjan

Re: The news about 'Mozilla China had been discovered to 'do some evil', our policy toward customized build of Firefox by local MoCo

2013-12-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Rubén Martín wrote: > I had to read all the messages twice to understand the problem. Could you please provide a little more context? Cheers, Dirkjan ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lis

Re: "Family Responsibility" trust group proposal

2013-11-07 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Majken Connor wrote: > then lets rein the discussion back in to talking about just emails. Adding > on the constraint of emails also denoting the trusted group is going to > delay emails going out even longer and I don't think we need to say that > everyone who has

Re: "Mafia" trust group proposal

2013-11-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:26 PM, David Bruant wrote: > This proposal doesn't explain the problem it tries to solve (and I'm > pointing that because it's not really clear to me what problem that is). > Among other things, the proposal doesn't explain why the Reps program isn't > sufficient to descr

Re: "Mafia" trust group proposal

2013-11-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
I like it, a lot! On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Fred Wenzel wrote: > I'd like to find a sufficient answer to this point to ensure the > proposed system will actually be useful and not go unused in favor of > employees-all for fear of missing important people when announcing > things. I agree

Re: @mozilla.org email addresses for Mozilla Reps

2013-10-30 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Majken Connor wrote: > I also want to suggest maybe there needs to be a time period before a person > can vouch for new members? I think this is also normal in this type of trust > system and it also minimizes the damage to the trust structure if someone > makes it

Re: automating planet additions

2013-10-30 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Reed Loden wrote: > The Planet team has always felt that Planet is meant to encompass > whatever people wish to share from their blogs, not just Mozilla stuff. > We want people in the community to showcase their lives, not just their > Mozilla work. While most peop

Re: @mozilla.org email addresses for Mozilla Reps

2013-10-29 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: > At the Festival, I was encouraged to elaborate on this. I've talked > about my idea elsewhere, but here it is again: > > There are now at least two reasons we need to define a subset of > Mozillians who are trusted by the community. > > The

Re: automating planet additions

2013-09-26 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Reed Loden wrote: > The slow point for me has always been writing the blog post. I hate > doing that part. The other part (actually adding the blog to planet) is > really easy. > > Perhaps we could have a monthly blog post of new arrivals but have quick > additions

Re: automating planet additions

2013-09-25 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Pascal Chevrel wrote: > In summary, do we know where the bottleneck is? Is adding the feed > technically painful? Is the person/people in charge of responding to > such requests not receiveing their bugmail (maybe because they disabled > email noifications in their

Re: automating planet additions

2013-09-25 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Taras Glek wrote: > The planet is our main venue for discussing our work in the open, we should > treat it with more care. I think it's pretty clear that the slow process of > getting people on planet is causing more harm than good(how many people DID > NOT get ap

Re: Improving our tools for meeting scheduling

2013-05-14 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > timeanddate.com is OK for a single meeting, but what we really want is a > URL which encodes a meeting sequence. So the URL doesn't have to change > each week. So you would have e.g.: > > http://time.mozilla.org/?t=0830&tz=America/Los_Ange

Re: How and where to search for help at Mozilla

2013-04-08 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 7:27 PM, wrote: > * Capture Mozilla: This is an effort to collect information about Mozilla > that very often exists only in people's heads right now and put it into > videos that can be distributed broadly across the project. > > https://wiki.mozilla.org/Capture_Mozilla

Re: How and where to search for help at Mozilla

2013-04-07 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Axel Hecht wrote: > 1) It's one of the best mozilla traditions to recognize people with leader > roles once they've led. ... > 2) People only work well as long as they're intrinsically motivated. ... > 3) Volunteers do what's right and within their power Really

Re: Partially self-built Firefox OS (was: Re: Supported locales in Firefox OS and OEMs)

2013-01-23 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Ben Hearsum wrote: > I'm going to refrain from saying anything else because I realized that > unless I can say something with authority (which I can't), I can only > cause confusion. I would recommend taking this conversation to #b2g or > another place with the peo

Re: Partially self-built Firefox OS (was: Re: Supported locales in Firefox OS and OEMs)

2013-01-23 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Ben Hearsum wrote: > With that said though, what makes you think that "most devices" won't > get updates? AFAIK 99% or more of our devices will be sold through a > telco... (again, I'm not authoritative on this, it's merely my own > understanding). Experience with

Re: Partially self-built Firefox OS (was: Re: Supported locales in Firefox OS and OEMs)

2013-01-23 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Ben Hearsum wrote: > It's worth noting that Mozilla is not going to be running the update > servers for FxOS. I'm 99% sure it's the telcos that will be, but it's > possible that it may be the manufacturer. So there will effectively be no (or a single) updates to g