Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-03 Thread Daniel Glazman
On 04/12/2015 06:32, Douglas Turner wrote: > Hey Daniel, Hi my friend! > a. all the underlying technologies of Thunderbird's world (XPCOM, XUL, >XBL, XUL-based add-ons) are on the verge of being deprecated. Is the >announced move a way to decouple faster, as it seems reading

Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-03 Thread Douglas Turner
Hey Daniel, Lots of questions; let me try. Keep in mind that there are plenty of points of views at Mozilla. These are my opinions which are influenced by the gecko developers I work with and the Firefox teams that I support. Some of this will feel like tit for tat, my intent is only to address

Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-03 Thread Mitchell Baker
Thanks for the suggestion! We'll follow up. mitchell On 12/3/15 7:57 AM, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: I understand that Thunderbird's future is currently under discussion and pretty much open. If it is decided to move Thunderbird out of Mozilla, I'd like to suggest to reach out to The Document Fo

Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-03 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:37 PM, R Kent James wrote: > In my dreams though, I sometimes imagine a world in which > Thunderbird, Postbox, N1, and Gaia Email all decide to work together to make > a common, killer communication client. N1 is GPLv3 like GPG, so my licensing comment applies to using co

Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-03 Thread R Kent James
On 12/3/2015 8:09 AM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: I'm just going to add that Mitchell's email while we u see stand what she said I think the messaging could have been different. I'm unsure if PR was consulted but the end result has been very negative media for Thunderbird as a project and Mozilla acr

Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-03 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
On 03/12/2015 16:09, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: I'm just going to add that Mitchell's email while we u see stand what she said I think the messaging could have been different. I'm unsure if PR was consulted Did you consult PR before you posted your response? but the end result has been very nega

Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-03 Thread Mitchell Baker
There is always a back-and-forth between how much the leadership announces a plan and how much there is a community-based process, with early statements of what's in the air and the ability  for those who are interested and can get involved in a productive way to

Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-03 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
I'm just going to add that Mitchell's email while we u see stand what she said I think the messaging could have been different. I'm unsure if PR was consulted but the end result has been very negative media for Thunderbird as a project and Mozilla across media in all countries. I don't even know w

Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-03 Thread Thomas Zimmermann
I understand that Thunderbird's future is currently under discussion and pretty much open. If it is decided to move Thunderbird out of Mozilla, I'd like to suggest to reach out to The Document Foundation and ask if they are interested. It seems to me that Thunderbird might be a good addition to th

Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-03 Thread R Kent James
On 12/3/2015 4:01 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Andrew Sutherland wrote: 2) When you have addressed the technical debt, you potentially are left with something that is not the same product that Thunderbird was to begin with[1]. (:rkent's post at https://mail.mozilla.

Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-03 Thread mkaply
Mitchell, Daniel has some really great questions. Can they be answered as well? Thanks Mike ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance

Re: Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central

2015-12-03 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Andrew Sutherland wrote: > 2) When you have addressed the technical debt, you potentially are left > with something that is not the same product that Thunderbird was to > begin with[1]. (:rkent's post at > https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2015-Septemb