Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> ("privacy absolutist" is political framing 101 -- would you > feel fairly treated if I described your views on the matter as, say, > "government absolutist"?) I'd shrug and point to my many public statements where I've supported strong, non-backdoored privacy tools. If someone wants to accuse m

Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Johan Wevers
On 24-08-2016 4:26, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > 1. Are you a privacy absolutist? Yes. > 2. If yes, why should we listen to you? The child porn excuse is used too often. The terrorism card is also played often (not that it would help much against that as all known exmples show). And

Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Johan Wevers
On 24-08-2016 8:41, Werner Koch wrote: > Whether the current German rules on when and how constitutional rights > on privacy can lawfully be suspended are still in compliance with the > constitution is a different question. They can try the French method: declare the state of emergency after some

Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Francesco Ariis
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 04:42:34AM -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > I'd shrug and point to my many public statements where I've supported > strong, non-backdoored privacy tools. If someone wants to accuse me of > being a government absolutist, that's on them. Then let me ask you how "I have suppo

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Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread NdK
Il 24/08/2016 14:11, Francesco Ariis ha scritto: > @Johan Wevers: you might or might not be aware, but what you describe > is the "Four Horseman of the Infocalypse" [1]. Instead of stupid backdoors, couldn't legislators simply say that if encryption is used to try to hide a crime (that still have

Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Robert J. Hansen
>> 1. Are you a privacy absolutist? > > Yes. Thank you for being clear on that. >> 2. If yes, why should we listen to you? > > The child porn excuse is used too often... But this doesn't answer my question. Why should we listen to a privacy absolutist? > You can try - someone mig

Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Francesco Ariis
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 09:17:19AM -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > > You can try - someone might have used a weak password, wrote it down > > somewhere or made another mistake. Or can be pressured into telling it > > (the famous $5 wrench comes to mind here). > > Wait, wait, wait. > > You're opp

Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> Then let me ask you how "I have supported strong, non-backdoored > privacy tools" doesn't clash with: > >>3. If no, then how should we permit privacy tools to be >>circumvented? Simple: I wasn't presenting my own views, I was asking Johan for his. Where's the contradiction? __

Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Johan Wevers
On 24-08-2016 15:17, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >>> 2. If yes, why should we listen to you? >> >> The child porn excuse is used too often... > > But this doesn't answer my question. > > Why should we listen to a privacy absolutist? Why would we listen to anyone for that matter? >> You can tr

Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> He is of course not advocating torture, he's merely listing possible > exploits, referencing to xkcd #538. My question was, "How should we permit privacy tools to be circumvented?" His answer was, "You can try - someone might have used a weak password, wrote it down somewhere or made another mi

Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Ben McGinnes
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 08:41:33AM +0200, Werner Koch wrote: > On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 21:37, joh...@vulcan.xs4all.nl said: > > > (German), the German and French government are attacking the right to > > encrypt communication of their serfs. Also because of their violent > > Despite their common decl

Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> Why would we listen to anyone for that matter? Ideally, because they present options that may work better than what we currently have. Privacy absolutism -- the position that there is *no* justification for infringing on individual privacy, even in the case of serious crimes -- doesn't offer an

Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> P.S. We may be in the Second Crypto Wars, but the genie is out of the > bottle, so that sense of "oh noes, the governments is coming for > my cryptoes" just isn't there so much. Yeah, which is why I find both sides of the privacy absolutist debate to be ... pretty much comically mis

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2016-08-24 Thread SUNNY
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Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread martin
On 24/08/16 15:37, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > I find the current state of detente to be pretty good, actually. We're > allowed to design the best systems we can, and governments are allowed > to discover where we're not as clever as we think we are. If there's a > flaw in Tor and the FBI uses it t

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Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Robert J. Hansen
>> 3. If no, then how should we permit privacy tools to be >> circumvented? > > Do you honestly believe that this is really possible? That government > backdoor will stay available only to government and will not be > misused? I never said I believed backdoors were an appropriate way to circu

Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Wolf
On , Robert J. Hansen wrote: > 3. If no, then how should we permit privacy tools to be > circumvented? Do you honestly believe that this is really possible? That government backdoor will stay available only to government and will not be misused? As an example I would raise issue of TSA accep

Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Wolf
On , Robert J. Hansen wrote: > >> 3. If no, then how should we permit privacy tools to be > >> circumvented? > > > > Do you honestly believe that this is really possible? That government > > backdoor will stay available only to government and will not be > > misused? > > I never said I believ

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2016-08-24 Thread Reid Thompson
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Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Ben McGinnes
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 10:37:35AM -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >> >> P.S. We may be in the Second Crypto Wars, but the genie is out of >> the bottle, so that sense of "oh noes, the governments is >> coming for my cryptoes" just isn't there so much. > > Yeah, which is why I find bot

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Re: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe

2016-08-24 Thread Johan Wevers
On 24-08-2016 16:27, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > Ideally, because they present options that may work better than what we > currently have. Privacy absolutism -- the position that there is *no* > justification for infringing on individual privacy, even in the case of > serious crimes -- doesn't offe

OpenPGP.conf streamed?

2016-08-24 Thread Anthony Papillion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I just realized that OpenPGP.conf is coming up in less than a month. Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend. Will anyone be streaming it live? If not, will there be videos posted? Thanks, Anthony - -- OpenPGP Key:4096R/0x028ADF7453B04B15 Oth

Re: SSH hangs when using GPG2 + Yubikey on OS-X

2016-08-24 Thread Ben Warren
Hi, Sorry it took so long to get back to you on this. Today I installed gpg 2.1.15, which contains your fix. I haven’t seen SSH connections hang yet, but haven’t been using it long. I did, however, see failure to use the card. I initiated an SSH session, and it immediately prompted for the

Re: Please unsubscribe me form your mailing list. Thank you.

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