Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 04:55:56AM +0100, Hauke Laging wrote: [snip] > Now my point: Keys can be converted from one format to the other. The > fingerprint changes but obviously the keygrip doesn't. I believe it > would make a lot of sense to create a connection between gpg and gpgsm > and point

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 02/04/2014 09:01 AM, Mark H. Wood wrote: > Having said that, you might look at how OpenSSH has included X.509 > certificates in its operation. There is precedent for something like > what you suggest. fwiw, the answer here is "they haven't". Roumen Petrov's X.509 patches remain outside of Ope

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 02/03/2014 10:55 PM, Hauke Laging wrote: > This idea came to my mind while I was wondering why several CAs offer > free (but rather useless...) certificates for X.509 but not for OpenPGP. > Whatever they do with X.509 can be done with OpenPGP, too (e.g. setting > an expiration date for the si

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Di 04.02.2014, 11:09:42 schrieb Daniel Kahn Gillmor: > We have such an indicator format going in the opposite direction > (pointing from X.509 to the related OpenPGP cert). In particular, > it's the X509v3 extension known as PGPExtension Interesting, I didn't know that. > I don't know of a

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 4 February 2014 15:47, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On 02/04/2014 09:01 AM, Mark H. Wood wrote: > > Having said that, you might look at how OpenSSH has included X.509 > > certificates in its operation. There is precedent for something like > > what you suggest. > > fwiw, the answer here is "t

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 4 February 2014 15:47, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On 02/04/2014 09:01 AM, Mark H. Wood wrote: > > Having said that, you might look at how OpenSSH has included X.509 > > certificates in its operation. There is precedent for something like > > what you suggest. > > fwiw, the answer here is "t

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 04/02/14 17:09, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > If there is a public CA that is willing to offer OpenPGP certificates, i > would like to know about it (whether they offer them with the same key they > use for their X.509 activities or not). FWIW, CACert signs OpenPGP keys of verified people with k

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Werner Koch
On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:09, d...@fifthhorseman.net said: > I don't know of a formalized way to do the other mapping, but it seems > like it would be pretty straightforward to embed the full X.509 > certificate in a notation packet on a self-sig (presumably a self-sig PGP does this. IIRC, Hal Finn

Re: MUA "automatically signs keys"?

2014-02-04 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Friday 31 January 2014 at 9:24:17 AM, in , Steve Jones wrote: > Well the conventions of use, for example the key > signing party protocol, requires photographic id. If I > publicly sign a key it has to be in line with how I > expect others

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Di 04.02.2014, 19:38:07 schrieb Peter Lebbing: > And CACert still isn't in the default > trusted root bundle on quite some systems, I believe. And will probably "never" be. > extending the trust in that broken model to OpenPGP That is not what I suggest. You can assign certification trust t

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Di 04.02.2014, 21:05:10 schrieb Werner Koch: > On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:09, d...@fifthhorseman.net said: > > I don't know of a formalized way to do the other mapping, but it > > seems like it would be pretty straightforward to embed the full > > X.509 certificate in a notation packet on a self-sig

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 02/04/2014 12:36 PM, Hauke Laging wrote: >> I don't know of a formalized way to do the other mapping, but it seems >> like it would be pretty straightforward to embed the full X.509 >> certificate in a notation packet > > Why wouldn't the fingerprint and the DN not be enough? The whole > appro