Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Henry Hertz Hobbit
My personal observations agrees with Rob Hansen's studies 100%. Even when required to use encryption people hate doing it and their concept is entirely focused on the ciphering with them thinking that people who use encryption are trying to hide something. They don't even begin to understand that s

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Jan Eden
Well... most people in 1940 were not capable of cracking the Enigma or even aware of encryption technology. In fact, most human beings are "stupid" in that they do not seek to understand the inner workings of systems around them. This is simply a pragmatic approach: As long as something works as

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Johan Wevers
On 10-06-2013 10:46, Henry Hertz Hobbit wrote: > Nobody but me uses my signatures on the stuff I > deliver. It isn't because my keys aren't part of the WOT. It > is because for what ever reason they want to complain like mad > about Prism but then go to Facebook and broadcast their personal > li

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:40:07PM +0200, Johan Wevers wrote: > On 10-06-2013 10:46, Henry Hertz Hobbit wrote: > > > Nobody but me uses my signatures on the stuff I > > deliver. It isn't because my keys aren't part of the WOT. It > > is because for what ever reason they want to complain like mad

Fwd: Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Jean-David Beyer
Sorry, I sent it privately by mistake... Original Message Subject: Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 06:59:59 -0400 From: Jean-David Beyer Organization: Institute for Regimented Whimsey To: Johan Wevers On 06/10/2013 06:40 AM,

Re: Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Jean-David Beyer wrote: > In fact, most no longer use e-mail, but > Facebook, Twitter, and so on. > Well, you must have a valid working e-mail address to sign up to any of the above mentioned. When they want to reset their passwords, they are sent a verification

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-10 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 11:52:32PM -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > On 6/9/2013 11:14 PM, Hauke Laging wrote: [snip] > > The reason that most people do not use crypto is the most trivial > > one: They don't think they need it. > > This is not supported by the studies. Many people who do not use c

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Mark Rousell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/06/2013 09:46, Henry Hertz Hobbit wrote: > My personal observations agrees with Rob Hansen's studies 100%. > Even when required to use encryption people hate doing it and their > concept is entirely focused on the ciphering with them thinking >

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-10 Thread reynt0
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Robert J. Hansen wrote: . . . That's why I'm so skeptical of all claims that if we just fix the UI we'll solve the adoption problem. The problem isn't UI. . . . As pointed out at the start of a gestural interface programming book I have, Apple iOS made it possible to use

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-10 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 6/10/2013 8:15 PM, reynt0 wrote: > As pointed out at the start of a gestural interface programming book > I have, Apple iOS made it possible to use a fancy computer by using > no more than the skills of a chimpanzee. Interesting you should say that. Apple's Certificate Manager application (on

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Jean-David Beyer
On 06/10/2013 03:39 PM, Mark Rousell wrote: > I just wanted to say that you have neatly encapsulated my feelings > on the subject: Stupid is in vogue. > > My concern is that it will be for a long time to come. It is > ironic that technology is, to a considerable extent, what has made > it possibl

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Jean-David Beyer wrote: > He said the added complexity would have two benefits: I've said for years that in the ages of dial-up internet, particularly the DOS+Windows 3.x years, people had a barrier of entry in getting a dial-up modem, getting the right RS232 ca

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 6/10/2013 11:37 PM, Jean-David Beyer wrote: > Of course he did not seriously propose the idea as a real course of > action. But it is interesting to think about. I drive a Mustang GT with enough engine work to make it genuinely dangerous to unprepared drivers. When I was taking a couple of ad