Re: passphrases: the police and subkeys scenario

2008-06-17 Thread Rick Valenzuela
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Faramir wrote: | Ok, I get the point. Also, I mentioned the word "civilized" trying to | not imply countries which doesn't grant the right to have an attorney's | services are not civilized... that is the reason why I used the "" signs. No worries,

Re: passphrases: the police and subkeys scenario

2008-06-16 Thread Faramir
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rick Valenzuela escribió: > Robert J. Hansen wrote: >> it's grossly inaccurate to say that an airport >> is beyond the laws of the host country. > > I said it's "viewed as." It's an interpretation and being taken > advantage of as such. I might've ten

Re: passphrases: the police and subkeys scenario

2008-06-16 Thread Faramir
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rick Valenzuela escribió: > Robert J. Hansen wrote: > | Keeping this jurisdiction-free, the legal protections people think they > | should have and the legal protections they think they have and the legal > | protections they actually have are three qu

Re: passphrases: the police and subkeys scenario

2008-06-16 Thread Rick Valenzuela
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Robert J. Hansen wrote: | Keeping this jurisdiction-free, the legal protections people think they | should have and the legal protections they think they have and the legal | protections they actually have are three quite disjoint subject areas. | I

Re: passphrases: the police and subkeys scenario

2008-06-16 Thread Robert J. Hansen
Rick Valenzuela wrote: > I said it's "viewed as." It's an interpretation and being taken > advantage of as such. I might've tended toward hyperbole and implied an > uncivilized Wild West of airports, but for some specific instances, yes, > basic expected rights are sometimes no longer operable pre-

Re: passphrases: the police and subkeys scenario

2008-06-16 Thread Rick Valenzuela
Robert J. Hansen wrote: it's grossly inaccurate to say that an airport is beyond the laws of the host country. I said it's "viewed as." It's an interpretation and being taken advantage of as such. I might've tended toward hyperbole and implied an uncivilized Wild West of airports, but for some

Re: passphrases: the police and subkeys scenario

2008-06-16 Thread Robert J. Hansen
Rick Valenzuela wrote: > Ah, and there's the fatal flaw -- not the part about "civilized" > countries, but simply "country." Airport immigration and customs is > viewed as outside the borders, a middle ground where the laws of the > destination nation don't apply. [sighs] This is not true. There

Re: passphrases: the police and subkeys scenario

2008-06-16 Thread Rick Valenzuela
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Faramir wrote: |Well, I suppose in most "civilized" countries you have the right to | have access to a lawyer if you have legal troubles. But is it a good | idea to keep in mind there are places where that is unlikely to work... Ah, and there's

Re: passphrases: the police and subkeys scenario

2008-06-15 Thread Faramir
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rick Valenzuela escribió: > Hah, good point. And should it ever come down to that, I hope access to > a lawyer is possible (and worthwhile) at that point. But both your and > Matt's suggestions are good to have in the playbook. The border trick is > a

Re: passphrases: the police and subkeys scenario

2008-06-15 Thread Rick Valenzuela
Hah, good point. And should it ever come down to that, I hope access to a lawyer is possible (and worthwhile) at that point. But both your and Matt's suggestions are good to have in the playbook. The border trick is a pretty good precaution (groan). Rick David Shaw wrote: An easy way to hand

Re: passphrases: the police and subkeys scenario

2008-06-13 Thread David Shaw
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 03:41:05PM -0400, Rick Valenzuela wrote: > I'm now confused about creating a separate subkey for encrypting, as > opposed to creating one keypair that signs and encrypts. The example > I've seen around is that if you're set up the subkey way and the police > demand the priva

passphrases: the police and subkeys scenario

2008-06-11 Thread Rick Valenzuela
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I'm now confused about creating a separate subkey for encrypting, as opposed to creating one keypair that signs and encrypts. The example I've seen around is that if you're set up the subkey way and the police demand the private part of your key, yo