Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD

2019-07-03 Thread Werner Koch via Gnupg-users
On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 15:40, konstan...@linuxfoundation.org said: > When this happens, a maintainer who tries to verify a signed pull > request will have the operation fail, so they need to have a way to > force-refresh the developer's key. I would say this is the #1 workflow Agreed. A signature c

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD

2019-07-02 Thread Wiktor Kwapisiewicz via Gnupg-users
Hi Konstantin, On 02.07.2019 21:40, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: Most subkey changes that I am aware of are not due to people's old subkeys expiring, but because they add new ones for reasons like migrating between smartcard solutions or just being nerdy and picking a new ECC-based subkey. Wh

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD

2019-07-02 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 06:41:41PM +0200, Werner Koch via Gnupg-users wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:27, konstan...@linuxfoundation.org said: - subkey changes An expired key triggers a reload of the key via WKD or DANE. Modulo the problems I mentioned in the former mail. For new subkeys we h

WKD refreshing (was: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD)

2019-07-02 Thread Bernhard Reiter
Am Montag 01 Juli 2019 18:33:41 schrieb Werner Koch via Gnupg-users: > I consider to change this so that gpg always tries to update > an expired key via the WKD. To add to this: The idea for WKD was to be able to improve the algorithm when a new search is done. It is just obvious that the extreme

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD

2019-07-01 Thread Werner Koch via Gnupg-users
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:27, konstan...@linuxfoundation.org said: > - subkey changes An expired key triggers a reload of the key via WKD or DANE. Modulo the problems I mentioned in the former mail. For new subkeys we have a problem unless we do a regular refresh similar to what should be done for

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD (Re: Your Thoughts)

2019-07-01 Thread Werner Koch via Gnupg-users
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 15:13, gnupg-users@gnupg.org said: > distribution keys in Gentoo. However, the main problem with WKD right > now is that AFAIK GnuPG doesn't support refreshing existing keys via WKD Actually gpg updates expired keys via WKD. However, to not break things and not to go out and

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD (Re: Your Thoughts)

2019-07-01 Thread Brian Minton
I'm kind of a corner case, but I can't use wkd because I don't control my top level domain for my email. I also can't use DANE for the same reason. I can and do use DNS CERT records because it allows a second-level domain. I suppose this has been discussed to death, but wouldn't it make sense to

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD (Re: Your Thoughts)

2019-07-01 Thread Brian Minton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Oops, forgot to sign it. I'm kind of a corner case, but I can't use wkd because I don't control my top level domain for my email. I also can't use DANE for the same reason. I can and do use DNS CERT records because it allows a second-level domain

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD (Re: Your Thoughts)

2019-07-01 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 03:13:29PM +0200, Michał Górny via Gnupg-users wrote: The problem with autocrypt are the cases where its security measures are tested. There is not good way to interact with the users in those cases. I know this is not parts of its design goals, but it works against a bet

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD (Re: Your Thoughts)

2019-07-01 Thread Michał Górny via Gnupg-users
On Mon, 2019-07-01 at 12:18 +0200, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > Am Montag 01 Juli 2019 01:36:41 schrieb Robert J. Hansen: > > Now we've got Autocrypt, WKD, and Hagrid: of these Autocrypt is probably the > > most mature and the easiest for email users. > > The problem with autocrypt are the cases where

distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD (Re: Your Thoughts)

2019-07-01 Thread Bernhard Reiter
Am Montag 01 Juli 2019 01:36:41 schrieb Robert J. Hansen: > Now we've got Autocrypt, WKD, and Hagrid: of these Autocrypt is probably the > most mature and the easiest for email users. The problem with autocrypt are the cases where its security measures are tested. There is not good way to interac