For years I've used a gadget that generates random pronounceable
strings for creating passwords. Eventually word came down from on
high: "thou shalt use passphrases". So now I generate one of those
random pronounceables and substitute it for a word in a sentence:
"Never stop leyphohap number
On 24 December 2015 at 17:02, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I do not fully understand why some 4 random words like
>
> Correct, horse! Battery staple!
>
> is a better passphrase like, for example
>
> Und allein dieser Mangel und nichts anderes führte zum Tod.
>
> i.e. some
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On 12/25/2015 12:50 PM, Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> On Thursday 24 December 2015 17:02:54 Matthias Apitz wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I do not fully understand why some 4 random words like
>>
>> Correct, horse! Battery staple!
>>
>> is a better passphrase like,
Quoting Peter Lebbing (2015-12-26 09:53:38)
> On 26/12/15 01:39, ma...@wk3.org wrote:
> > do you have an estimate on the number of unique sentences published on
> > the Internet?
>
> What is your purpose by the way? Look for an estimated amount of entropy
> contained in picking one of those sentenc
On 26/12/15 01:39, ma...@wk3.org wrote:
> do you have an estimate on the number of unique sentences published on
> the Internet?
Hm how many of those would have been generated by a Markov chain
generator that a spammer used to generate some filler text in a spam
mail? I bet you've seen the
Hi,
do you have an estimate on the number of unique sentences published on
the Internet?
Sincerely,
Malte
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Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Friday, December 25, 2015 a las 06:50:07PM +0100, Ingo Klöcker
> escribió:
>
> > > Und allein dieser Mangel und nichts anderes führte zum Tod.
> > >
> > > i.e. some phrasing which could be memorized better?
> >
> > The second sentence is found by search engines
El día Friday, December 25, 2015 a las 06:50:07PM +0100, Ingo Klöcker escribió:
> > Und allein dieser Mangel und nichts anderes führte zum Tod.
> >
> > i.e. some phrasing which could be memorized better?
>
> The second sentence is found by search engines (2 hits in DuckDuckGo). Don't
> use
On Thursday 24 December 2015 17:02:54 Matthias Apitz wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I do not fully understand why some 4 random words like
>
> Correct, horse! Battery staple!
>
> is a better passphrase like, for example
>
> Und allein dieser Mangel und nichts anderes führte zum Tod.
>
> i.e.
It's about the randomness/unpredictability/entropy of the passphrase.
There are less grammatically correct sentences with 4 words than there
are combinations of 4 words in total.
So, yes, you can take a sentence that makes sense, but then the whole
passphrase has to be longer. There is an estimat
I'm a big fan of that list, and for some time I've been meaning to generate
a tweaked version that uses binary numbering, having recently needed to
generate a passphrase without a dice to hand. Using a coin and rejection
sampling isn't too hard, but it's rather annoying to have to throw away 20%
of
If you want a simple random list, look at diceware:
http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.html
Both the page and the diceware lists are available in many languages,
including German
vedaal
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On 24-12-2015 17:02, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> I do not fully understand why some 4 random words like
>
> Correct, horse! Battery staple!
>
> is a better passphrase like, for example
>
> Und allein dieser Mangel und nichts anderes führte zum Tod.
I do know that using accented chara
On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:57:06AM +0100, Peter Lebbing wrote:
> On 25/12/15 06:19, Ineiev wrote:
> Let's assume one in four words in the dictionary fits the grammar. I
> hope this concurs broadly with what you assumed. Rather than pick four
> random words of the full list, and then pick one of tho
On 25/12/15 06:19, Ineiev wrote:
> I assume the amount of entropy is what really matters. for instance,
> if on every next step you are free to choose any of 4 random words
> taken from 6-word dictionary, you may put it in a grammatically
> correct form[*], then you must get a certain entropy p
Hello,
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 05:50:47PM +0100, Peter Lebbing wrote:
>
> > Und allein dieser Mangel und nichts anderes führte zum Tod.
>
> This is grammatical. There is a subject (or two), a verb, an.. well
> whatever those things are like "zum Tod", I don't often discuss grammar
> in any oth
My boss told me to pick an 8 word sentence and use the initials. I chose
the my favorite line from my fan fiction: "Put All Star Ships Where Only
Romulans Dwell" and he fired me.
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I do not fully understand why some 4 random
Hello,
> Correct, horse! Battery staple!
My understanding is that these words in such a passphrase are chosen by
a random number generator in a computer. I use such a passphrase; I've
let my computer pick words out of a word list based on reading
/dev/random; or actually, I'm fairly sure I
Hello,
I do not fully understand why some 4 random words like
Correct, horse! Battery staple!
is a better passphrase like, for example
Und allein dieser Mangel und nichts anderes führte zum Tod.
i.e. some phrasing which could be memorized better?
matthias
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