Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-20 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 01:44:32PM +0200, Werner Koch wrote: > On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 20:59, jo...@netpage.dk said: > > Yes, but it isn't only HIS stuff! > You have to trust the recipient anyway that he keep the information > confidential. It does not help to use string encryption if the message > is

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-20 Thread Werner Koch
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 20:59, jo...@netpage.dk said: > Yes, but it isn't only HIS stuff! You have to trust the recipient anyway that he keep the information confidential. It does not help to use string encryption if the message is later re-tweeted by the recipient. Unfortunately this is too often

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-19 Thread Josef Schneider
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Werner Koch wrote: > If Bobs decides to use NIST curve, why don't you want to send a mail to > him. It his his decision whether he want to keep stuff confidential. Yes, but it isn't only HIS stuff! I want to know if the information I send out is secure enough or

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-19 Thread Werner Koch
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:54, nicholas.c...@gmail.com said: > If I understand correctly, the curve is used to create the > Public/Private Keypair. So GPG probably needs to display clearly (in The curve is part of the key. We have a similar thing in Elgamal and DSA algorithms, over there we call it

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-19 Thread Nicholas Cole
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Werner Koch wrote: >> to create the key (if that is possible) so that people can make a >> judgement about that kind of thing when they certify keys -- assuming > > If Bobs decides to use NIST curve, why don't you want to send a mail to > him. It his his decision

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-18 Thread Nicholas Cole
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Josef Schneider wrote: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Werner Koch wrote: > >> The standard already allows for all kind of curses. They are specified >> by an OID and I offered DJB to assign OIDs from the GnuPG arc. The >> original reason why I wanted an OID

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-18 Thread Josef Schneider
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Werner Koch wrote: > The standard already allows for all kind of curses. They are specified > by an OID and I offered DJB to assign OIDs from the GnuPG arc. The > original reason why I wanted an OID based design is so that it will be > possible to use Brainpool

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-18 Thread Werner Koch
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:23, rookci...@gmail.com said: > It's good to see that Werner has already made the suggestion to implement > different curves. Let's hope that the OpenPGP working group agrees with his The standard already allows for all kind of curses. They are specified by an OID and I o

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-17 Thread Roflcopter
I second this motion. After the recent revelations about NSA shenanigans regarding NIST and with Bruce Schneier himself saying he is highly suspicious of NIST curves, I think it behooves the OpenPGP standards group to think about alternative curves. Of course, some users of OpenPGP will need NIST

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-16 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 08:17:11PM -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > On 9/13/2013 6:20 PM, Werner Koch wrote: > > No, I am not aware of any discussions. QC resistant algorithms are not > > yet something we need to rush for. > > Although it hasn't hit the IETF WG mailing list, I know that some list

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-15 Thread Nicolai
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 08:52:47AM +0200, Werner Koch wrote: > - I am thinking to switch to Curve25519 based algorithms. They have >been developed by Dan Bernstein et al. and are considered a sound >design. I am currently working on the implementation of the signature >scheme in Lib

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-14 Thread Johan Wevers
On 9/14/2013 0:20, Werner Koch wrote: > No, I am not aware of any discussions. QC resistant algorithms are not > yet something we need to rush for. While I agree that the current algorithms are probably safe against the current attacks, encrypted messages can be stored and broken in the future.

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-13 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 9/13/2013 6:20 PM, Werner Koch wrote: > No, I am not aware of any discussions. QC resistant algorithms are not > yet something we need to rush for. Although it hasn't hit the IETF WG mailing list, I know that some list participants have had intermittent off-list conversations about lattice cry

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-13 Thread Werner Koch
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:25, joh...@vulcan.xs4all.nl said: > Such a major change would warrant a 1.6 IMO. Sure. > BTW, is there any discussion in the OpenPGP community about other public > key systems, like NTRUEncrypt (see No, I am not aware of any discussions. QC resistant algorithms are not y

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-13 Thread Johan Wevers
On 9/13/2013 8:52, Werner Koch wrote: > concerns about switching to GnuPG-2. However, if at some time ECC would > really take off, we might backport it to 1.4 if we could agree to change > 1.4 to make use of Libgcrypt. Such a major change would warrant a 1.6 IMO. BTW, is there any discussion in

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-13 Thread Werner Koch
On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 07:35, d...@fifthhorseman.net said: > GnuPG 2.1 (still currently in beta, afaict) is the first version to > include ECC support for OpenPGP. the 2.0.x branch does not include ECC Right. There are no plans to support it in older versions. 2.1 also has a feature to work witho

Re: Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-11 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 09/11/2013 11:43 PM, Newton Hammet wrote: > Shouldn't I be seeing 1 or more ECC choices? GnuPG 2.1 (still currently in beta, afaict) is the first version to include ECC support for OpenPGP. the 2.0.x branch does not include ECC for OpenPGP. Regards, --dkg signature.asc Description

Where is ECC in gpg2 (specifically gnupg-2.0.21

2013-09-11 Thread Newton Hammet
Hello Everyone, I dutifully did ./configure, make, sudo make install for gunupg-2.0.21 after finally doing same for all its dependencies and then ran /usr/local/lib/gpg2 --expert --gen-key and all I got was this: newton@newton-desktop:~/gpg2_0_21/gnupg-2.0.21$ /usr/local/bin/gpg2 --expert -