Peter Lebbing wrote:
> On 27/03/13 14:40, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > I created it, as far as I recall, from my copy direct from Ulrich,
> > which had no Mail-Followup-To
>
> Correct, the problem originated when you replied[1] to Werner's mail[2].
> Werner's mail had the following header:
>
> Ma
On 27/03/13 14:40, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> I created it, as far as I recall, from my copy direct from Ulrich,
> which had no Mail-Followup-To
Correct, the problem originated when you replied[1] to Werner's mail[2].
Werner's mail had the following header:
Mail-Followup-To: "Julian H. Stacey" ,
Peter Lebbing wrote:
> On 27/03/13 12:41, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > Thanks Ulrich for your email below,
> > It didn't make it to gnupg-users@gnupg.org & to
> > http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2013-March/date.html#end
>
> Posts by non-subscribers are moderated (held for approval by
On 27/03/13 12:41, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Thanks Ulrich for your email below,
> It didn't make it to gnupg-users@gnupg.org & to
> http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2013-March/date.html#end
Posts by non-subscribers are moderated (held for approval by a moderator).
That's why it took
Thanks Ulrich for your email below,
It didn't make it to gnupg-users@gnupg.org & to
http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2013-March/date.html#end
so I'm appending it & will point to it from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Data_Encryption_Algorithm#Availability
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Julian H Stacey wrote:
> OK I added Ulrich M to cc
> He can add URL to wikipedia of expiry date of Japan IDEA paent
> if he wants, or I will if he mails it me.
> A dead patent is a good patent ;-)
IANAL, TINLA, but the term of patent in Japan seems to be 20 years and
it
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Data_Encryption_Algorithm#Availability
> From: Werner Koch
Werner Koch wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:38, j...@berklix.com said:
>
> > So to wikipedia, after "Japan" I appended "expired 2011-05-16"
> > I could edit in an href'd citation
On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:38, j...@berklix.com said:
> So to wikipedia, after "Japan" I appended "expired 2011-05-16"
> I could edit in an href'd citation to wikipedia, if URL known ?
I don't know; the dates are by Ulrich Müller
Shalom-Salam,
Werner
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On 03/26/13 10:30, Jan Chaloupecky wrote:
> Sorry, I sent the last mail only to Hubert.
>
>
> I was saying that Squeeze does not have in any of its repositories the
> versions that support IDEA:
>
> Max version of GnuPG is 1.4.12
> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnupg&searchon=names
On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:30, chal...@gmail.com said:
> Compiling and shipping IDEA means that I have to provide the sources of my
> software, correct?
You always have to provide the source of GPG software (or a written
offer). Simply linking to Debian is not sufficient if you distribute a
binary f
On 03/25/13 20:05, Jan Chaloupecky wrote:
> On Monday, March 25, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Werner Koch wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:00, chal...@gmail.com
>>> so the question is .. can I ship the idea shared object with my software?
>>> The idea.c contains the following comments. So if I understand it
>>
Sorry, I sent the last mail only to Hubert.
I was saying that Squeeze does not have in any of its repositories the
versions that support IDEA:
Max version of GnuPG is 1.4.12
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnupg&searchon=names&exact=1&suite=all§ion=all
Max version of libgcrypt is 1.5
Hi gnupg-users@gnupg.org
cc Werner K.
I wrote:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Data_Encryption_Algorithm#Availability
Werner posted:
> Meanwhile the patent expired:
> * Patents on IDEA have expired:
> * Europe: EP0482154 on 2011-05-16,
> * Japan: JP3225440 on 2011-05-16,
On Monday 25 of March 2013 21:05:02 Jan Chaloupecky wrote:
> On Monday, March 25, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Werner Koch wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:00, chal...@gmail.com (mailto:chal...@gmail.com)
said:
> > > I have to use GnuPG 1.4.10 and a self compiled idea.c from here
> >
> > You better use 1.4.
On Monday, March 25, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Werner Koch wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:00, chal...@gmail.com (mailto:chal...@gmail.com) said:
>
> > I have to use GnuPG 1.4.10 and a self compiled idea.c from here
>
> You better use 1.4.13.
I have to stick to the version provided by Debian Squeeze a
On 25/03/13 20:49, Doug Barton wrote:
> Thus endeth the lesson,
Yeah, after I wrote my reply, I wondered if it was even wise to fight fire with
fire. So the lesson didn't come entirely unexpected.
I respectfully disagree that the mail didn't warrant a reply at all. One could
also simply point out
On 3/25/2013 12:38 PM, Peter Lebbing wrote:
On 25/03/13 20:06, Doug Barton wrote:
He clarified that in a subsequent post. The usual netiquette is to
read the entire thread before responding to any individual post.
I see only one post by Julian H Stacey,
I should have been more explicit. The
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:00, chal...@gmail.com said:
> I have to use GnuPG 1.4.10 and a self compiled idea.c from here
You better use 1.4.13.
> ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/gentoo/distfiles/idea.c.gz
>
> so the question is .. can I ship the idea shared object with my software?
> The idea.c co
On 25/03/13 20:06, Doug Barton wrote:
> He clarified that in a subsequent post. The usual netiquette is to read the
> entire thread before responding to any individual post.
I see only one post by Julian H Stacey, and the web archive[1] agrees, so maybe
you got a private mail? (But why?)
Anyway,
On 3/25/2013 12:01 PM, Peter Lebbing wrote:
On 25/03/13 14:22, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Hi,
is the IDEA algorithm licensed?
Wrong question ! Try: copyright? patented?
Copyright on an algorithm? Don't you mean a particular implementation of the
algorithm? IOW: Wrong question, nex
On 25/03/13 14:22, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>> Hi,
>> is the IDEA algorithm licensed?
>
> Wrong question ! Try: copyright? patented?
Copyright on an algorithm? Don't you mean a particular implementation of the
algorithm? IOW: Wrong question, next try?
Peter.
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I use the GNU Privacy
It is clear to me that the patent expired but it is not clear how I'm
allowed to use the sourced of idea.c
I have to use GnuPG 1.4.10 and a self compiled idea.c from here
ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/gentoo/distfiles/idea.c.gz
so the question is .. can I ship the idea shared object with my s
On Mar 25, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Jan Chaloupecky wrote:
> Hi,
> is the IDEA algorithm licensed? Under which conditions am I allowed to use
> the idea extension in a commercial product?
It was a patented algorithm which required a license. The patent has since
expired (and in fact it was difficult
> Hi,
> is the IDEA algorithm licensed?
Wrong question ! Try: copyright? patented?
> Under which conditions am I allowed to use
> the idea extension in a commercial product?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Data_Encryption_Algorithm#Availability
Cheers,
Julian
--
Julia
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:46, chal...@gmail.com said:
> is the IDEA algorithm licensed? Under which conditions am I allowed to use
> the idea extension in a commercial product?
I assume your question is: Is the IDEA algorithm patented?
It was patented and this was one or the main reasons to develop
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On Wednesday 23 June 2010 at 8:04:59 PM, in
, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> We don't need IDEA, so why wrestle with the Patent
> Monster?
I think IDEA's only place in OpenPGP these days, is to allow access to
any existing messages or files encrypt
On 6/23/10 1:12 PM, MFPA wrote:
> I understood that for non-commercial use, IDEA was freely available
> for use and that licences were only needed for commercial use in the
> countries where it is patented.
Sure, but that makes it incompatible with the GPL -- and that
incompatibility puts some sev
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On Wednesday 23 June 2010 at 5:35:19 AM, in
, David Shaw
wrote:
> So it's still patented,
[...]
> It's not even clear where you could get a license if
> you really had to use IDEA.
[...]
I understood that for non-commercial use, IDEA was f
On Jun 22, 2010, at 11:25 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> On 6/22/10 10:39 PM, David Shaw wrote:
>> I'm not sure about the 2007 patent expiration - I recall it being
>> right around now, actually (2010-2011).
>
> A little digging around revealed the United States patent expiration:
> January 7, 201
On 6/22/10 10:39 PM, David Shaw wrote:
> I'm not sure about the 2007 patent expiration - I recall it being
> right around now, actually (2010-2011).
A little digging around revealed the United States patent expiration:
January 7, 2012.
I am not a patent attorney, I don't pretend to be an authorit
On 6/22/10 10:30 PM, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
> Could the FAQ be updated then, assuming you speak with some authority?
I am correct, but I am not authoritative. I'm not one of the GnuPG
developers, so I have no authority to make declarations on behalf of GnuPG.
_
On Jun 22, 2010, at 10:09 PM, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
> The FAQ for IDEA states that "The official GnuPG distribution does not
> contain IDEA due to a patent restriction. The patent does not expire before
> 2007 so don't expect official support before then."
>
> (http://gnupg.org/docum
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
On 6/22/10 10:09 PM, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
Is this very old and it's now supported? Or is it still not in for some
other reason (either oversight, legal, or other).
By modern standards, IDEA is not considered a promising cipher. There
On 6/22/10 10:09 PM, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
> Is this very old and it's now supported? Or is it still not in for some
> other reason (either oversight, legal, or other).
By modern standards, IDEA is not considered a promising cipher. There
are some very good theoretical attacks against
M.B.Jr. wrote:
> All in all, it looks like IDEA, even if totally freed, is sentenced to
> gradual abandonment. Is this perception of mine correct?
It is more accurate to say it has already been abandoned. Very few
people today use IDEA as a symmetric cipher for OpenPGP messages.
On Sep 21, 2009, at 10:11 PM, M.B.Jr. wrote:
Gentlemen,
I really appreciate the comments you've made on the subject and the
little debates as well.
That was exactly what I was expecting.
Sometimes, regular users do not have the proper notion of whether some
functionality merits attention.
All
Gentlemen,
I really appreciate the comments you've made on the subject and the
little debates as well.
That was exactly what I was expecting.
Sometimes, regular users do not have the proper notion of whether some
functionality merits attention.
All in all, it looks like IDEA, even if totally fre
On Sep 21, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Johan Wevers wrote:
David Shaw wrote:
If the "some people" still want this, I haven't seen it in a good
long
while. Possibly they gave up asking.
Probably. However, if someone wants IDEA support for whatever reason
there
is still the IDEA plugin. It still wo
David Shaw wrote:
>If the "some people" still want this, I haven't seen it in a good long
>while. Possibly they gave up asking.
Probably. However, if someone wants IDEA support for whatever reason there
is still the IDEA plugin. It still works with GnuPG 1.4.10 for both Linux
and Windows, alth
ved...@hush.com wrote:
> if only there were a gnupg mini-version with a shorter source-code,
> (or at least one that's readable by someone looking at it from
> scratch, not just reading the updates and patches as they go along)
> then i'd gladly switch
This is doable. I did this in '99 for GnuPG
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:40:02 -0400
>From: David Shaw
>If the "some people" still want this, I haven't seen it in a good
>long while. Possibly they gave up asking.
as an old-time pgp 2.x user,
have often put the question to some of the die-hard remailer 2.6
users:
'why don'
On Sep 16, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
David Shaw wrote:
Whether this means IDEA is okay or not patent-wise, I have a slightly
different take on this: who cares about IDEA at this point? IDEA was
good back in the 90s and PGP 2.x. It's 2009 now, and we have better
ciphers than ID
David Shaw wrote:
> If the "some people" still want this, I haven't seen it in a good long
> while. Possibly they gave up asking.
Gave up the asking, more likely. I still get one or two emails a year
inquiring about if/when GnuPG will support this. (No, I don't know why
they email me, and I wis
David Shaw wrote:
> Whether this means IDEA is okay or not patent-wise, I have a slightly
> different take on this: who cares about IDEA at this point? IDEA was
> good back in the 90s and PGP 2.x. It's 2009 now, and we have better
> ciphers than IDEA, a massive installed software base that doesn'
On Wednesday, September 16, 2009, at 12:46PM, "Robert J. Hansen"
wrote:
>M.B.Jr. wrote:
>> I've recently had access to this document, written by the "United
>> States Patent and Trademark Office" (USPTO) which basically tries to
>> ban software patents.
>
>The memorandum in question is eight p
On Sep 16, 2009, at 1:56 PM, M.B.Jr. wrote:
Hi list,
I've recently had access to this document, written by the "United
States Patent and Trademark Office" (USPTO) which basically tries to
ban software patents.
The memorandum is here:
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/dapp/opla/2009-08-25_int
M.B.Jr. wrote:
> I've recently had access to this document, written by the "United
> States Patent and Trademark Office" (USPTO) which basically tries to
> ban software patents.
The memorandum in question is eight pages, twenty slides and two flowcharts.
As a ballpark estimate that would mean it
Maury Markowitz wrote:
> Didn't IDEA's patent expire last year?
2010, I think. Even once 2010 comes around, there's no point in using
it. AES rules the roost for symmetric ciphers nowadays, and for fairly
good reasons.
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On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 11:51:13AM -0500, Maury Markowitz wrote:
> Didn't IDEA's patent expire last year? I notice it's still not in the
> list unless I load it by hand. Is there something else preventing it
> from being used?
It's patented until 2010 (2011 in some places).
IDEA is effectively de
Hello Werner !
Werner Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...about IDEA.DLL and GnuPG 1.4.8 :
I still have LoadExtension c:\lib\gnupg\idea.dll in my config. Is this
obsolete?
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KeyID: 0xCFAF704C
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> Changed to:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Data_Encryption_Algorithm#Security
Thanks, RMS should be proud of you ;-).
Salam-Shalom,
Werner
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> Hope I don't get in trouble for posting this, however the idea module
Noproblem, that information is anyway available at gnupg.org:
http://www.gnupg.org/faq/why-not-idea.html
Shalom-Salam,
Werner
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> It would be correct to say that Gentoo does not distribute GnuPG
> binaries, with or without IDEA. The package management system
> (portage) gathers tarballs, patches, etc., constructs a source tree,
> and compiles it on the target system.
Wel
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 09:33:59PM +0200, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> On 1/29/08, Werner Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> >
> > > Gentoo is providing this only if a user specify build from source and
> > > ask idea explicitly.
> > > Also Gentoo enfo
Alan Olsen wrote:
> The reduced rounds issue is enough of an excuse to get me to
> recommend that our customers upgrade.
If your customers are businesses, the upgrade pill can be made easier to
swallow by pointing out that AES is a NIST standard and may be required
by future government regulations
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Werner Koch
>I also consider helping an idea patenter by linking to his web site a bad
>idea.
> That company has several times tried to force me to advertise that the gnupg
> docs sh
On 1/29/08, Alon Bar-Lev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I also consider helping an idea patenter by linking to his web site a
> > bad idea. That company has several times tried to force me to advertise
> > that the gnupg docs should mention that idea can be bought from them.
>
> The information is
On 1/29/08, Werner Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>
> > Gentoo is providing this only if a user specify build from source and
> > ask idea explicitly.
> > Also Gentoo enforces dropping idea when binary redistribution is made.
>
> This has nothin
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Werner Koch schrieb:
> [... IDEA/GPL woes ...]
Though I recently had a valid reason; I was in posession of a very old
legacy RSA-keypair which I created quite a long time ago with PGP
2.something.
I just wanted to revoke that key, but in order to cre
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> Gentoo is providing this only if a user specify build from source and
> ask idea explicitly.
> Also Gentoo enforces dropping idea when binary redistribution is made.
This has nothing to do with binary vs. source distribution. The GPL
clearly st
On 1/25/08, Werner Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>
> > For gnupg-2:
> > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/app-crypt/gnupg/files/gnupg-2.0.4-idea.patch?rev=1.1&view=markup
>
> It seems that Gentoo is violating the GPL (section 7) b
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> For gnupg-2:
> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/app-crypt/gnupg/files/gnupg-2.0.4-idea.patch?rev=1.1&view=markup
It seems that Gentoo is violating the GPL (section 7) by providing a
IDEA riddled GnuPG.
Shalom-Salam,
Werner
t;Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:47 PM
>To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org
>Subject: Re: IDEA
>
>McDougall, Marshall (STEM) wrote:
>> Hi All.
>>
>> First postbe gentle :-}
>>
>> I have a RHEL server and I am having difficulty decrypting a pgp
>
McDougall, Marshall (STEM) wrote:
> Hi All.
>
> First postbe gentle :-}
>
> I have a RHEL server and I am having difficulty decrypting a pgp
> encrypted file. Near as I can tell, I need the IDEA cipher.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg --decrypt myfile.txt
> gpg: protection algorithm 1 (IDEA) i
You can use Gentoo patches...
For libgcrypt:
http://gentoo.osuosl.org/distfiles/libgcrypt-1.4.0-idea.diff.bz2
For gnupg-2:
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/app-crypt/gnupg/files/gnupg-2.0.4-idea.patch?rev=1.1&view=markup
Alon.
On 1/23/08, McDougall, Marshall (STEM) <[EMAIL PROTECT
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 05:23:21PM -0600, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> Alan Olsen wrote:
>> I have been trying to find what it takes to get a license for using
>> IDEA with gpg.
>
> The first question is why you need IDEA in the first place. It's a usable
> cipher, but it's hardly a paragon of moder
Alan Olsen wrote:
I have been trying to find what it takes to get a license for using
IDEA with gpg.
The first question is why you need IDEA in the first place. It's a
usable cipher, but it's hardly a paragon of modern design. Better than
brute force attacks exist against at least 4.5 of it
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