Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users
Quoting Alessandro Vesely (from Tue, 13 Jun 2023 19:56:38 +0200): On Tue 13/Jun/2023 13:02:09 +0200 Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users wrote: Quoting Alessandro Vesely (from Tue, 13 Jun 2023 11:19:02 +0200): On Tue 13/Jun/2023 08:46:06 +0200 Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users wrote: Qu

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Dienstag, 13. Juni 2023 19:56:38 CEST Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users wrote: > BTW your GPG signature doesn't verify. It does for me. For all of his messages in this thread. Regards, Ingo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. __

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Alessandro Vesely wrote in <8fe44a06-cb26-db9b-bf9a-8251baf56...@tana.it>: ... |d= is not aligned. Really, you gain nothing by removing DKIM-Signature:\ |'s, |except saving a few bytes. Most non-spam non-patch messages i see have an exorbitant text / header data relation. I could not tell

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users
On Tue 13/Jun/2023 13:02:09 +0200 Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users wrote: Quoting Alessandro Vesely (from Tue, 13 Jun 2023 11:19:02 +0200): On Tue 13/Jun/2023 08:46:06 +0200 Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users wrote: Quoting Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users (from Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:45:3

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Alexander Leidinger wrote in <20230613091839.horde.xomd2-klk1ptncda-lgs...@webmail.leidinger.net>: |Quoting Steffen Nurpmeso (from Mon, 12 Jun 2023 |21:54:45 +0200): ... |> non-deleted things from there (also automatically). I am happy |> that many lists i am on continue to use that subje

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users
Quoting Alessandro Vesely (from Tue, 13 Jun 2023 11:19:02 +0200): On Tue 13/Jun/2023 08:46:06 +0200 Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users wrote: Quoting Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users (from Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:45:37 +0200): The From was re-written be the list and as such the header chec

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users
On Tue 13/Jun/2023 11:40:39 +0200 Werner Koch via Gnupg-users wrote: BTW, the whole DKIM thing does not protect the body of a mail because for example the Content-type is not commonly included in the hash and thus you can change the boundary in this header and then tweak the body. That hack o

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Werner Koch via Gnupg-users
On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:46, Alexander Leidinger said: > DKIM doesn't specify an automatic removal of a sinature. So I > postulate there is no DKIM related tool which does this (only formail -I DKIM-Signature BTW, the whole DKIM thing does not protect the body of a mail because for example the Con

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users
On Tue 13/Jun/2023 08:46:06 +0200 Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users wrote: Quoting Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users (from Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:45:37 +0200): The From was re-written be the list and as such the header check fails. The body check fails as the list adds the following: ---snip

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users
On Tue 13/Jun/2023 09:26:06 +0200 Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users wrote: Quoting Werner Koch via Gnupg-users (from Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:02:31 +0200): lists.gnupg.org does not do DKIM.  I know stripped the obvious wrong DKIM-Signature headers before they are processed by Mailman. Let's see

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users
On Mon 12/Jun/2023 21:24:54 +0200 Konstantin Ryabitsev via Gnupg-users wrote: On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 06:45:37PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users wrote: What the list-software would need to do is to strip the original DKIM signature Why? Original signatures can often be recovered. T

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users
Quoting Werner Koch via Gnupg-users (from Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:02:31 +0200): lists.gnupg.org does not do DKIM. I know stripped the obvious wrong DKIM-Signature headers before they are processed by Mailman. Let's see whether this solves the problem. Those of you in C should see my DKIM header

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users
Quoting Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users (from Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:45:37 +0200): The From was re-written be the list and as such the header check fails. The body check fails as the list adds the following: ---snip--- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users
Quoting Steffen Nurpmeso (from Mon, 12 Jun 2023 21:54:45 +0200): Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote in <20230612-landline-jawless-f2c113@meerkat>: |On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 06:45:37PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-us\ |ers wrote: |> Omitting subject tag and footer seems to me to be worse t

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-13 Thread Werner Koch via Gnupg-users
Hi! When posting mails to lists.gnupg.org the mails are received at our standard MX and are then forwarded to a the Mailman box (lists.gnupg.org). Over there we do some minimal spam detection and then pass it to mailman. Mailman changes From to have the list address. lists.gnupg.org does not do

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-12 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote in <20230612-rename-satirical-b8339e@meerkat>: |On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 09:54:45PM +0200, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |>|No it isn't. Changing the subject and adding the footer is a damaging |>|anti-pattern from mid-nineties. If the end-user wants to filter mail, \ |>|th

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-12 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev via Gnupg-users
On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 09:54:45PM +0200, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > |No it isn't. Changing the subject and adding the footer is a damaging > |anti-pattern from mid-nineties. If the end-user wants to filter mail, \ > |they can > |do it based on the List-Id header or any other criteria. Lists tha

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-12 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote in <20230612-landline-jawless-f2c113@meerkat>: |On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 06:45:37PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-us\ |ers wrote: |>> What the list-software would need to do is to strip the original \ |>> DKIM signature |> |> Why? Original signatures can ofte

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-12 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev via Gnupg-users
On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 06:45:37PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users wrote: > > What the list-software would need to do is to strip the original DKIM > > signature > > Why? Original signatures can often be recovered. They shouldn't be removed > anyway. If list-software is doing somethi

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-12 Thread Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users
On Mon 12/Jun/2023 13:05:51 +0200 Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users wrote: Quoting Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users (from Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:57:32 +0200): Hi, would someone please explain DKIM settings of lists.gnupg.org? I'm not involved in gnupg.org administration, but it looks like

Re: OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-12 Thread Alexander Leidinger via Gnupg-users
Quoting Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users (from Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:57:32 +0200): Hi, would someone please explain DKIM settings of lists.gnupg.org? I'm not involved in gnupg.org administration, but it looks like there are none. Looking at recent posts, I counted 44 with a failed signa

OT: DKIM signatures on email messages from lists.gnupg.org

2023-06-12 Thread Alessandro Vesely via Gnupg-users
Hi, would someone please explain DKIM settings of lists.gnupg.org? Looking at recent posts, I counted 44 with a failed signature by d=gnupg.org, 22 with no DKIM signature at all and none with a good signature. I'm asking because there was a proposal to eliminate SPF from DMARC authentication