Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-26 Thread Valtteri Vuorikoski
Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users writes: > Thanks for posting about the PivApplet project. I was looking for > something like that for either the basic cards or java cards as I > wanted to tinker around with them. Do you have a specific Java card > model you are using? You'll want something that

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-25 Thread Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users
Whatever the merits of retired key slots for their intended use, there's another use case for them which was probably not considered by NIST: alternate certificates for X.509, SSH and similar authorization applications to work around deficiencies in existing systems. Examples: - Github allo

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-25 Thread Valtteri Vuorikoski
Werner Koch via Gnupg-users writes: > Frankly, I am not convinced about the retirement slots on the card. > They are of course useful if you rotate you key. But the question is > why you want to do this given that the keys are anyway securely stored > on a card. Whatever the merits of retired k

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-25 Thread Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users
Thanks for your offer. However, it is mainly a spec and hardware thing and the software part is minor. If you are a vendor of an OpenPGp comliant card, you are likely already in contact with Achin Pietig, who is responsible for the specs. Yea, I am not a vendor of an OpenPGP card, just an int

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-24 Thread Werner Koch via Gnupg-users
On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 02:21, Brandon Anderson said: > First, if you are working on a new revision of the OpenPGP card, > please let me know if I can reasonably do anything to help. While I Thanks for your offer. However, it is mainly a spec and hardware thing and the software part is minor. If yo

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-24 Thread Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users
I am not arguing that paper copies are less reliable; of course, they are; however, they are not as secure. As I reread this email, I realized what I said here may have been unclear. I meant to say, of course, paper copies are more reliable than hardware tokens; they are just less secure. Op

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-24 Thread Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users
concerned, you could use three. The probability that one card out of ten will have a failure in a decade is far higher than the chance that You should also be concerned that malware bricks your (backup) card. You can only avoid that by using an always air-gaped box which is pretty inconvenient.

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-23 Thread Werner Koch via Gnupg-users
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 21:53, Brandon Anderson said: > concerned, you could use three. The probability that one card out of > ten will have a failure in a decade is far higher than the chance that You should also be concerned that malware bricks your (backup) card. You can only avoid that by using a

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-22 Thread Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users
Or is it money? Something else? Money and usability are certain factors here. Most of these tokens are in the realm of $50 apiece; the GPG smart card, while closer to $20, is still another $30 in shipping, so it would be costly unless I purchased all ten upfront. Not to mention the user experi

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-22 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Dienstag, 22. Juni 2021 20:47:45 CEST Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users wrote: > I agree that for most people having a paper backup stolen is unlikely, > but then again, most people are not using GPG, to begin with, let alone > GPG with smartcards or security tokens. There are several security >

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-22 Thread Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users
Many tutorials, examples, and articles that are talking about using Yubikeys and smartcards currently suggest making paper backups of the encryption key so you can add it to new devices if needed. But this, at least to me, feels like it's significantly reducing the value of using secure har

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-22 Thread Andrew Gallagher via Gnupg-users
On 22/06/2021 17:53, Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users wrote: Many tutorials, examples, and articles that are talking about using Yubikeys and smartcards currently suggest making paper backups of the encryption key so you can add it to new devices if needed. But this, at least to me, feels lik

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-22 Thread Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users
For the benefit of the archives, it is possible to encrypt outgoing emails to your own key as well as the recipient's key, which ensures that the sent-mail folder is readable by the sender. Most email clients will do so by default (e.g. mutt, thunderbird/enigmail), and in most such clients all

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-22 Thread Andrew Gallagher via Gnupg-users
On 22/06/2021 07:47, Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users wrote: If you know the recipient, then solving the latter is easy. Ask the recipient to resend the message encrypted with your new key. In my setup, when something is sent, only the encrypted mail is sent to my sent folder, so if I were

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-22 Thread Werner Koch via Gnupg-users
On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 23:47, Brandon Anderson said: > the PIV functions only support 2048 RSA and NIST curves. The only card That's per PIV specs. > What would it take to add support for retirement key slots into the > GPG smartcard specification? If retirement slots were added to the > smartcard

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-21 Thread Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users
If you know the recipient, then solving the latter is easy. Ask the recipient to resend the message encrypted with your new key. In my setup, when something is sent, only the encrypted mail is sent to my sent folder, so if I were asked as you suggest, I would have no way to send the letter w

Re: Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-21 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Montag, 21. Juni 2021 04:52:37 CEST Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users wrote: > The problem, of course, comes when I need to decrypt old messages signed > with the revoked key or if someone at a later point sends an encrypted > message to the revoked key. If you know the recipient, then solving t

Long Term Key Management With Hardware Tokens

2021-06-20 Thread Brandon Anderson via Gnupg-users
Hey everyone, I have a question regarding using secure hardware such as Yubikey/Nitrokey, GPG smartcards, and the handling of encryption key rotation and replacement. I currently have a GPG key with a 4096 bit RSA key generated on a GPG smart card version 2.1. I have recently acquired two Yub