Re: Key poisoning

2019-08-17 Thread Daniel Clery
Thanks - I knew I was being naive. Is it correct that the thesis that describes the fundamentals of the current reconciliation algorithm is 'Spreading Rumors Cheaply, Quickly, and Reliably'? ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists

Re: Key poisoning

2019-08-16 Thread Peter Lebbing
Hi MFPA, > Would the attack work by just concatenating lots of identical > signature packets onto a copy of the target key and sending the result > to the keyserver? I have no knowledge of the workings of the keyservers. But my guess is that they would all be coalesced into the single signature t

Re: Key poisoning

2019-08-15 Thread MFPA via Gnupg-users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Thursday 15 August 2019 at 7:07:34 AM, in , Andrew Gallagher wrote:- > Also, if thousands of > separate keys have > signed another key, making it unusable, how do we > decide which of > those thousands of keys are legit and which the bad > a

Re: Key poisoning

2019-08-15 Thread MFPA via Gnupg-users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Thursday 15 August 2019 at 10:26:31 AM, in , Peter Lebbing wrote:- > Plus, the attacker could just create a signature that > looks likely to be > real (self-sig or existing third-party sig seems a > good candidate). Would the attack work

Re: Key poisoning

2019-08-15 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 15/08/2019 08:50, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > Additionally, the bad guys can create new malicious certificates faster > than the keyserver network can blacklist. Plus, the attacker could just create a signature that looks likely to be real (self-sig or existing third-party sig seems a good candid

Re: Key poisoning

2019-08-14 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> If the keyserver implemented a signer blacklist, (which would scrub the > blacklisted signature from any current or incoming public keys), what > consequences am I missing? Someone already chimed in about how this is "enumerating badness", which runs counter to best practices in security. Addit

Re: Key poisoning

2019-08-14 Thread Andrew Gallagher
> On 14 Aug 2019, at 23:38, Daniel Clery wrote: > > If the keyserver implemented a signer blacklist, (which would scrub the > blacklisted signature from any current or incoming public keys), what > consequences am I missing? This is known as “enumerating badness” and it doesn’t scale. You wou

Key poisoning

2019-08-14 Thread Daniel Clery
If the keyserver implemented a signer blacklist, (which would scrub the blacklisted signature from any current or incoming public keys), what consequences am I missing? In essence, shadowbanning a signing key. Keyservers without blacklist support would still pass around the toxic keys, but only un