Re: I think that's a false dichotomy

2016-09-05 Thread Johan Wevers
On 05-09-2016 0:45, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >> Do I smell a little bit of a Stockholm syndrome here? > > The Stockholm syndrome is half-pop science and half-real. I know what it is. You have obviously worked too much with those forces in law enforcement that prefer that citizens can't keep any s

Re: I think that's a false dichotomy

2016-09-04 Thread René Mérou
On dissabte, 3 de setembre de 2016 21:05:28 CEST Robert J. Hansen wrote: > > Do you think that privacy is a fundamental human right? > > What does it mean for something to be a "fundamental" human right? If > the question is meaningful, then there must be human rights that are > *not* fundamental

Re: I think that's a false dichotomy

2016-09-04 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> Do I smell a little bit of a Stockholm syndrome here? The Stockholm syndrome is half-pop science and half-real. It stems from a hostage situation in Stockholm where many of the hostages emotionally bonded with their captors, and vice-versa, to the point where they sympathized with each other.

Re: I think that's a false dichotomy

2016-09-04 Thread Johan Wevers
On 04-09-2016 3:05, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > Now, of course I don't want the civil authorities to have > legislatively-mandated back doors into every system. I don't think > that's an appropriate solution. But I do believe the civil authorities > need appropriate mechanisms to pursue their lawf

Re: I think that's a false dichotomy

2016-09-04 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> Reality is a *lot* > more complicated than "the decision belongs to the people". Yes, democracy is a mess. But "it belongs to the people" is a lot more convenient than listing the complex, convoluted, and sometimes corrupt machinery of government. :) > Over here, police is knowingly ignoring

Re: I think that's a false dichotomy

2016-09-04 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 04/09/16 16:35, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > Yes, it would be a mistake for policy to be determined by those who've been > down in the mud with this crap. It would be deeply antidemocratic, in fact. > This decision belongs to the people, not to an extremely small subset of the > people with a (per

Re: I think that's a false dichotomy

2016-09-04 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> And, with all due respect, for that reason I think policy should not be > determined by people who have been exposed to a very unbalanced amount of > horrible people. Constantly being confronted by the worst scum of the gutter > skews your view of human behaviour. There are two ways to interpret

Re: I think that's a false dichotomy

2016-09-04 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 04/09/16 03:05, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > I'm transitioning out of my job, where for the last eight years I've > been doing research and development into digital forensics, mostly for > government customers. After eight years I reached the point where I > began to think that every adult male sh

Re: I think that's a false dichotomy

2016-09-03 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> Do you think that privacy is a fundamental human right? What does it mean for something to be a "fundamental" human right? If the question is meaningful, then there must be human rights that are *not* fundamental. So, what's a fundamental human right, and how is it different from a normal huma

Re: I think that's a false dichotomy (was: Attacks on encrypted communicxatiopn rising in Europe)

2016-09-03 Thread jnxx
On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:26:17 -0400 "Robert J. Hansen" wrote: > > Some serious questions -- > > 1. Are you a privacy absolutist? Robert, I have a counter-question: Do you think that privacy is a fundamental human right? Also, it seems to me a bit that the discussion following up your