Re: Betamax v. VHS, and the future of PQ-PGP

2025-01-12 Thread Johan Wevers via Gnupg-users
On 2025-01-03 1:25, Robert J. Hansen via Gnupg-users wrote: > Let me get this straight: you believe Signal is acting unethically and > irresponsibly by giving people a superb and secure alternative to SMS > messaging, just because they don't support PQC. Actually Signal uses PQC for some time now

Re: GnuPG meets the standard of care set by Signal (Re: Betamax v. VHS, and the future of PQ-PGP)

2025-01-03 Thread Robert J. Hansen via Gnupg-users
Breaking RSA-4096 via Shor's algorithm is straight out of science fiction. No, *this* is science fiction: I stand by my statement. RSA-4096 via Shor's requires science fiction level technology advances. Signal is acting ethically and responsibly:  They have had hybrid-PQC fully deployed to

Infrastructure support for GnuPG post-quantum keys (Re: Betamax v. VHS, and the future of PQ-PGP)

2025-01-03 Thread have--- via Gnupg-users
d to one side by default: 2025-01-01: Betamax v. VHS, and the future of PQ-PGP https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2025-January/067441.html This is not a nice wishlist feature that can wait. I sometimes try to remember what messages I sent with RSA4096 decades ago, and wonder if the

GnuPG meets the standard of care set by Signal (Re: Betamax v. VHS, and the future of PQ-PGP)

2025-01-03 Thread have--- via Gnupg-users
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 19:25:01 -0500, Robert J. Hansen wrote: Breaking RSA-4096 via Shor's algorithm is straight out of science fiction. No, *this* is science fiction: It’s been known since 1977 that factoring is merely an O(log n) problem, easy-peasy, if you have a (classical) computer with

Re: deflating heffalumps (was: Betamax v. VHS, and the future of PQ-PGP)

2025-01-02 Thread Jacob Bachmeyer via Gnupg-users
On 1/2/25 18:25, Robert J. Hansen via Gnupg-users wrote: [...]  The lowest common denominator will remain plain ECC or RSA, as it > is today.  That’s bad. Why?  Breaking RSA-4096 via Shor's algorithm is straight out of science fiction.  It requires 8k qubits for the computation alone: once

Re: Betamax v. VHS, and the future of PQ-PGP

2025-01-02 Thread Robert J. Hansen via Gnupg-users
A disquisition could here ensue on the long-term security reasons why everyone should start using ky1024_cv448 encryption subkeys RIGHT NOW. This could only be true if everyone holds to a threat model in which their data being collected by the MDR and potentially decrypted by a First World nat

Betamax v. VHS, and the future of PQ-PGP

2025-01-01 Thread have--- via Gnupg-users
A disquisition could here ensue on the long-term security reasons why everyone should start using ky1024_cv448 encryption subkeys RIGHT NOW. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Data_Repository But if you understand security well enough to read this list, why waste your time? Instead, let’s