Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-25 Thread Mark
If someone does not want to remember a passphrase then it goes to something they have. Either some sort of key digital or "analog" or biometric.   Granted changing that is more limited but some get creative, 10 fingers and 10 toes to choose from. I don't think there is any perfect system.  Passwor

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-25 Thread Mark
I'd like to see it updated. I think it would be useful utility to have. On 5/25/2020 2:49 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >> Having only heard of it just now, I was surprised it's not included in >> Debian, >> until I saw the word of caution and lack of commit history. > The word of caution is becaus

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-25 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> Having only heard of it just now, I was surprised it's not included in > Debian, > until I saw the word of caution and lack of commit history. The word of caution is because I'm not actively maintaining it: the lack of commit history is because it's literally a project I threw together over a

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-25 Thread Stefan Claas
John Scott via Gnupg-users wrote: > On Sunday, May 24, 2020 12:18:51 PM EDT Robert J. Hansen wrote: > > > But using Sherpa is probably a good bet. > > > > Good Lord, it's been a while since I wrote that. The Windows MSI > > installer should still work, though. If there's interest in other > >

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-25 Thread John Scott via Gnupg-users
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 12:18:51 PM EDT Robert J. Hansen wrote: > > But using Sherpa is probably a good bet. > > Good Lord, it's been a while since I wrote that. The Windows MSI > installer should still work, though. If there's interest in other > formats, I'll see about updating it. Having onl

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-25 Thread Michał Górny via Gnupg-users
On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 09:36 +0200, Peter Lebbing wrote: > On 24/05/2020 21:39, Mark wrote: > > I know there are other options maybe even some that use > > biometrics to decrypt the database. > > I am very wary of biometrics for authentication purposes. There are so > many examples where the vendor

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-25 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 24/05/2020 21:39, Mark wrote: > I know there are other options maybe even some that use > biometrics to decrypt the database. I am very wary of biometrics for authentication purposes. There are so many examples where the vendor assured us it was working really well, and researchers easily crack

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Mark
I forgot to mention there are 2 files in that gnupg directory that I'm not sure the purpose of. I know private keys are stored in a directory called private-keys-v1.d and public keys are stored in pubring.kbx. I do have a file called PAPubring.gpg and PAsecring.gpg. They are only 111 and 113 bytes

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Mark
Sorry misspoke.. I should've said put those files you listed in an encrypted archive. I will grab Sherpa later and see how it works. Thanks On 5/24/2020 12:57 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >> I was thinking along the lines of backing up that entire directory into >> an encrypted 7z file and then j

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> I was thinking along the lines of backing up that entire directory into > an encrypted 7z file and then just having to remember the password to > that archive. I know there are other options maybe even some that use > biometrics to decrypt the database. Don't. GnuPG puts things in that director

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Mark
I was thinking along the lines of backing up that entire directory into an encrypted 7z file and then just having to remember the password to that archive. I know there are other options maybe even some that use biometrics to decrypt the database. On 5/24/2020 10:23 AM, Peter Lebbing wrote: > On 2

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Mark
Good point, unless you can use some other passwordless authentication. On 5/24/2020 10:44 AM, Felix Finch wrote: > On 20200524, Mark wrote: >> I think that could be addressed if all those files and directories are >> stored within an encrypted archive (whatever your favorite is) > > Yes, but then

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Felix Finch
On 20200524, Mark wrote: I think that could be addressed if all those files and directories are stored within an encrypted archive (whatever your favorite is) Yes, but then that needs a passphrase, and so on. I'm trying to cut back on how many I have to remember. -- ... _._. ._ ._

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Felix Finch
On 20200524, Peter Lebbing wrote: Hi, On 24/05/2020 16:05, Felix Finch wrote: Out of curiosity ... how safe are these files as is, assuming the private key file has a good strong passphrase? The safety of the private key purely depends on the strength of the passphrase. Note that backups will

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 24/05/2020 19:11, Mark wrote: > I think if all the important files are stored in an encrypted > container, they should be pretty secure. Just watch out for the catch-22 of "I lost my hard drive, let me restore from that encrypted container. Hmmm, my only backup of my private key is inside a con

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Mark
I think that could be addressed if all those files and directories are stored within an encrypted archive (whatever your favorite is) On 5/24/2020 7:05 AM, Felix Finch wrote: > On 20200524, Damien Goutte-Gattat via Gnupg-users wrote: >> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 09:35:54PM -0700, Mark wrote: >>> I'm

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Mark
Interesting points... I'm not sure I have all those files such as the TOFU (have to actually read more about it).  I think if all the important files are stored in an encrypted container, they should be pretty secure. On 5/24/2020 9:16 AM, Peter Lebbing wrote: > Hi, > > On 24/05/2020 16:05, Felix

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> I have yet to try it but it sounds like a good idea. Does it run under > Windows 10? Let's see what I wrote: >> The Windows MSI installer should still work, though. Knock yourself out. https://github.com/rjhansen/sherpa/releases/download/0.4.0/sherpa-0.4.0.msi ___

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Mark
Thanks for all the tips on which files to backup and how to export to for use in other apps (which is another thing I want to do later). MANY years ago (mid 90s) I created some PGP keys with the old Norton PGP program I was beta testing... Unfortunately those private keys are long lost (several com

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Mark
I have yet to try it but it sounds like a good idea. Does it run under Windows 10? On 5/24/2020 9:18 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >> But using Sherpa is probably a good bet. > Good Lord, it's been a while since I wrote that. The Windows MSI > installer should still work, though. If there's intere

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 24/05/2020 18:03, Peter Lebbing wrote: >> % gpg -o public-keys.gpg --export Oh! That is perhaps not good enough :-). You need $ gpg --export-options export-local-sigs -o public-keys.gpg --export so you don't lose any non-exportable signatures. There's also --export-options backup, which impl

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> But using Sherpa is probably a good bet. Good Lord, it's been a while since I wrote that. The Windows MSI installer should still work, though. If there's interest in other formats, I'll see about updating it. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Peter Lebbing
Hi, On 24/05/2020 16:05, Felix Finch wrote: > Out of curiosity ... how safe are these files as is, assuming the > private key file has a good strong passphrase? The safety of the private key purely depends on the strength of the passphrase. Note that backups will have the passphrase that was set

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 24/05/2020 14:52, Damien Goutte-Gattat via Gnupg-users wrote: > No, it’s not. Absolutely not ;-) > For the private and public keys however, instead of saving the files > directly I’d recommend exporting them from GnuPG: > > % gpg -o private-keys.gpg --export-secret-keys > % gpg -o public-keys

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Felix Finch
On 20200524, Damien Goutte-Gattat via Gnupg-users wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 09:35:54PM -0700, Mark wrote: I'm trying to figure out which files I need to backup to safeguard my keys. Everything that needs to be saved is in GnuPG’s home directory, which on Windows should be `C:\Documents a

Re: Backup of Keys

2020-05-24 Thread Damien Goutte-Gattat via Gnupg-users
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 09:35:54PM -0700, Mark wrote: I'm sure this is a pretty stupid question No, it’s not. I'm trying to figure out which files I need to backup to safeguard my keys. I’m assuming you are using GnuPG 2.2 on Windows here (based on your User-Agent). Everything that need

Backup of Keys

2020-05-23 Thread Mark
I'm sure this is a pretty stupid question but I'm trying to figure out which files I need to backup to safeguard my keys. All the docs I have seen so far are for the older versions of GNUPG before it changed the format of the keys.   Anyway what files (and/or folders) should I be backing up to a