Re: Automatic e-mail encryption

2014-07-22 Thread Mike Cardwell
* on the Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 06:23:51PM +0200, Peter Lebbing wrote: > By the way, regarding DANE as an alternative to the CA system: I think a > proper > implementation of authentication through DNS could well be way better than the > CA system: at least you can only be screwed by people having

Re: Automatic e-mail encryption

2014-07-21 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Monday 21 July 2014 at 8:56:21 PM, in , Peter Lebbing wrote: > I don't think this helps much authenticating one SMTP > server to another. Even if it would be possible, they > are usually operated by ISP's; I don't see them using > the WoT f

Re: Automatic e-mail encryption

2014-07-21 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/21/2014 09:23 AM, Peter Lebbing wrote: By the way, regarding DANE as an alternative to the CA system: I think a proper implementation of authentication through DNS could well be way better than the CA system: at least you can only be screwed by people having access to signing keys for the r

Re: Automatic e-mail encryption

2014-07-21 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 21/07/14 21:15, MFPA wrote: > Doesn't Monkeysphere [0] allow the use of the OpenPGP web of trust to > authenticate certificates for TLS? I don't think this helps much authenticating one SMTP server to another. Even if it would be possible, they are usually operated by ISP's; I don't see them us

Re: Automatic e-mail encryption

2014-07-21 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Monday 21 July 2014 at 5:23:51 PM, in , Peter Lebbing wrote: > On 21/07/14 15:32, Mark H. Wood wrote: >> Please remind me why we need an alternative to TLS. > Well, I actually meant X.509 and the CA system, which > is what is currently abu

Re: Automatic e-mail encryption

2014-07-21 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 21/07/14 15:32, Mark H. Wood wrote: > Please remind me why we need an alternative to TLS. Well, I actually meant X.509 and the CA system, which is what is currently abundantly used in SSL and TLS. If you plug in a different form of authentication, I think the rest is okay. > I treat hop-by-hop

Re: Automatic e-mail encryption

2014-07-21 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 02:26:44PM +0200, Peter Lebbing wrote: > By the way: if we had a working alternative to SSL/TLS, all the mail > servers could talk to eachother securely without eavesdropping. That way Please remind me why we need an alternative to TLS. > the contents of e-mails is only ex

Re: Automatic e-mail encryption

2014-07-19 Thread Ingo Klöcker
Hi Peter, please do not send me direct replies. I am subscribed so reply-to-list is sufficient. (I wouldn't ask this of you if I'd receive two copies of your replies, but I only receive the direct replies and this means I cannot use reply-to-list. The mailing list is correctly configured, so I

Automatic e-mail encryption

2014-07-19 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 19/07/14 00:34, Ingo Klöcker wrote: > Sure. But the NSA already knows the correspondents of all of our mail > anyway. Keyserver lookups do not add any additional data Pssh. What an argument. Please refrain from such useless rhetorics. > But the keyserver (owner) has to be trustworthy anyway.