Re: A safe text editor (No such Client)

2012-09-24 Thread rikhard
Gnupg-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: A safe text editor (No such Client) > About the safe text editor, the safest one is the one which is running on a operating system without a connection to any network. just use something like this https://w

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-13 Thread Julian H. Stacey
> Is there any truth in the claim from some employers that having a > mobile phone switched on within about 3 metres of a computer monitor > allows the potential for remote compromise of the data on the screen > via the mobile phone network? I wouldnt believe it's common or easily available. Lots

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-12 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 9/12/12 4:47 PM, MFPA wrote: > Is there any truth in the claim from some employers that having a > mobile phone switched on within about 3 metres of a computer monitor > allows the potential for remote compromise of the data on the screen > via the mobile phone network? Beats me. The real ques

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-12 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Monday 10 September 2012 at 9:46:13 PM, in , Landon Hurley wrote: > If van eck phreaking is a potential surveillance > vector, I think that we could categorically conclude > that the person is screwed. Is there any truth in the claim fro

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-11 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 11.09.2012, Peter Lebbing wrote: > The only sure-fire remedy against a > temp file that got deleted is a full wipe of the partition the file was on, as > far as I know. You can mount /tmp and the various other tmpfiles to memory. That's what I do (not for security reasons, but to have the tmp

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-11 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 11/09/12 16:58, Jens Lechtenboerger wrote: > Instead, I'm using full disk encryption. I also have an OS on full disk encryption (not my regular workstation OS). I still see a use for a "safe" text editor, for example as a lightweight alternative to FDE. Peter. -- I use the

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-11 Thread Jens Lechtenboerger
On Di, Sep 11 2012, Peter Lebbing wrote: > I think people want it because editing a text file *now* might > expose the data *far into the future*. Temp files and swap pages > have the potential to live on your hard disk for a very long time. > [...] > The only sure-fire remedy against a temp file

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-11 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 11/09/12 16:57, Heinz Diehl wrote: > You can mount /tmp and the various other tmpfiles to memory. That's > what I do (not for security reasons, but to have the tmp stuff deleted > on reboot). So you store the unencrypted file to /tmp and edit it there with whatever program is needed? Say you're

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-11 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/09/12 23:29, Marco Steinacher wrote: > Isnt't that the problem with almost any data? At some point you have to > decrypt it to edit or view it with some application. > [...] > I think demanding all allplications to be aware of this and to handle it > securely is quite a strong requirement

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-11 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 10/09/12 19:45, ved...@nym.hush.com wrote: > Either people are on their own computers, which they trust, and > which they can cleanse the memory and reboot, or they are on > untrusted computers, where memory is the least of their problems. I think people want it because editing a text file *n

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-11 Thread John Morris
On 09/10/2012 04:55 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: Second, no, of course the distro-on-a-stick doesn't defend against Van Eck phreaking. Distro-on-a-stick doesn't defend against anything if you don't trust the hardware, which you shouldn't if you don't trust the software. It's entirely feasible

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-11 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 10/09/12 22:46, Landon Hurley wrote: > Maybe some sort of hood made out of wire mesh to stop radiation leakage. Ah, you mean a tinfoil hat? ;P Peter. -- I use the GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG) in combination with Enigmail. You can send me encrypted mail if you want some privacy. My key is availa

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-10 Thread antispam06
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 19:45, ved...@nym.hush.com wrote: > Either people are on their own computers, which they trust, and > which they can cleanse the memory and reboot, or they are on > untrusted computers, where memory is the least of their problems. > > In any event, it is simply possible

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-10 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 9/10/2012 3:37 PM, MFPA wrote: > What about TEMPEST as a potential eavesdropping vector? First, it's "Van Eck phreaking." TEMPEST refers to a NATO standard for *defending* against Van Eck phreaking. Second, no, of course the distro-on-a-stick doesn't defend against Van Eck phreaking. The onl

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-10 Thread Landon Hurley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/10/2012 03:37 PM, MFPA wrote: > Hi > > > On Monday 10 September 2012 at 6:45:29 PM, in > , ved...@nym.hush.com > wrote: > > >> In any event, it is simply possible to avoid the entire >> issue, by booting from static media (i.e. ubuntu) >>

Re: A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-10 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Monday 10 September 2012 at 6:45:29 PM, in , ved...@nym.hush.com wrote: > In any event, it is simply possible to avoid the entire > issue, by booting from static media (i.e. ubuntu) > writing to usb only, using any ubuntu editor, and then

A safe text editor // why??

2012-09-10 Thread vedaal
Either people are on their own computers, which they trust, and which they can cleanse the memory and reboot, or they are on untrusted computers, where memory is the least of their problems. In any event, it is simply possible to avoid the entire issue, by booting from static media (i.e. ubuntu

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-09 Thread Milo
fav text editor can juggle with private keys too. Than I have > to ask some more questions and end up in the same point: they never > understood what safe meant. So they never bothered to take the word into > account. So for them it translates what text editor can do scripting > too. I

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-09 Thread antispam06
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 23:02, Peter Lebbing wrote: > On 09/09/12 22:04, antispa...@sent.at wrote: > > It's sad to see that Pretty Good Privacy is just about pretty good and > > nothing more. People don't seem to care beyond playing 007. > > Are you talking about how an encryption/signing tool is

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-09 Thread Marco Steinacher
Am 09.09.2012 20:39, schrieb Peter Lebbing: > On 09/09/12 13:12, Milo wrote: >> Also there are vim scrips allowing some level of integration with gnupg. > > Personally, I'd have more faith in a text editor that was written ground-up > with > security in mind. If you take a full-fledged editor tha

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-09 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/09/12 22:04, antispa...@sent.at wrote: > It's sad to see that Pretty Good Privacy is just about pretty good and > nothing more. People don't seem to care beyond playing 007. Are you talking about how an encryption/signing tool is not a text editor?? What's with the sudden demeaning criticism

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-09 Thread No such Client
On 09/09/2012 10:04 PM, antispa...@sent.at wrote: > > It's sad to see that Pretty Good Privacy is just about pretty good and > nothing more. People don't seem to care beyond playing 007. Finally, *someone* gets it. You always have to push the bar of sec and crypto. Not wallow in routines and compl

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-09 Thread antispam06
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 21:16, Peter Lebbing wrote: > On 09/09/12 21:06, Milo wrote: > > I'm not sure what you are trying to say/prove by polemics with things I > > didn't wrote. I won't speculate about your faith in editors, your threat > > model, and probably there is no real point for you to spe

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-09 Thread Milo
Hi! On 09/09/2012 09:16 PM, Peter Lebbing wrote: > On 09/09/12 21:06, Milo wrote: >> I'm not sure what you are trying to say/prove by polemics with things I >> didn't wrote. I won't speculate about your faith in editors, your threat >> model, and probably there is no real point for you to speculat

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-09 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/09/12 21:06, Milo wrote: > I'm not sure what you are trying to say/prove by polemics with things I > didn't wrote. I won't speculate about your faith in editors, your threat > model, and probably there is no real point for you to speculate about my > (possible) family and my hard drive data a

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-09 Thread Milo
Peter. On 09/09/2012 08:39 PM, Peter Lebbing wrote: > On 09/09/12 13:12, Milo wrote: >> Also there are vim scrips allowing some level of integration with gnupg. > > Personally, I'd have more faith in a text editor that was written ground-up > with > security in mind. If you take a full-fledged e

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-09 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/09/12 13:12, Milo wrote: > Also there are vim scrips allowing some level of integration with gnupg. Personally, I'd have more faith in a text editor that was written ground-up with security in mind. If you take a full-fledged editor that was never intended to hide the contents, and then bolt

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-09 Thread Milo
Hi. On 09/09/2012 11:16 AM, Paul Richard Ramer wrote: > On 09/05/2012 12:39 AM, antispa...@sent.at wrote: >> Could you recommend a safe text editor, in the sense it does protect >> the edited contents in memory, but, most important, on the disk (temp >> files and such)

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-09 Thread Paul Richard Ramer
On 09/05/2012 12:39 AM, antispa...@sent.at wrote: > Could you recommend a safe text editor, in the sense it does protect > the edited contents in memory, but, most important, on the disk (temp > files and such). Having functions to interact with gnupg would be even > better. > &g

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-07 Thread Jens Lechtenboerger
On Mi, Sep 05 2012, notizblock wrote: > Am 2012-09-05 09:39, schrieb antispa...@sent.at: > >> Could you recommend a safe text editor, in the sense it does protect the >> edited contents in memory, but, most important, on the disk (temp files >> and such). Having function

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-06 Thread notizblock
>> You could use vim with the gnupg.vim [1] plugin. > > Is it me or does that plugin default to using temporary files, pretty much > defeating the whole purpose? Makes me wonder how well thought out this script > is. Yes it does (default). But you can configure it to use pipes instead: g:GPGUseP

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-05 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 05/09/12 14:56, notizblock wrote: > You could use vim with the gnupg.vim [1] plugin. Is it me or does that plugin default to using temporary files, pretty much defeating the whole purpose? Makes me wonder how well thought out this script is. Peter. -- I use the GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG) in

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-05 Thread notizblock
Am 2012-09-05 09:39, schrieb antispa...@sent.at: Hello, > Could you recommend a safe text editor, in the sense it does protect the > edited contents in memory, but, most important, on the disk (temp files > and such). Having functions to interact with gnupg would be even better. > &g

Re: A safe text editor

2012-09-05 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 09/05/2012 03:39 AM, antispa...@sent.at wrote: > Could you recommend a safe text editor, in the sense it does protect > the edited contents in memory, but, most important, on the disk (temp > files and such). Having functions to interact with gnupg would be > even better. The best

A safe text editor

2012-09-05 Thread antispam06
Could you recommend a safe text editor, in the sense it does protect the edited contents in memory, but, most important, on the disk (temp files and such). Having functions to interact with gnupg would be even better. The point is to edit a text and have it all encrypted on disk. I'd lik