Re: SSH generic socket forwarding for gpg-agent

2015-02-15 Thread Doug Barton
On 2/15/15 11:41 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: On Sun 2015-02-15 16:06:05 -0500, NdK wrote: Il 13/02/2015 23:23, Daniel Kahn Gillmor ha scritto: The traditional argument against this sort of feature is that someone with control over your local socket would most likely have control over your g

Re: SSH generic socket forwarding for gpg-agent

2015-02-15 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Sun 2015-02-15 16:06:05 -0500, NdK wrote: > Il 13/02/2015 23:23, Daniel Kahn Gillmor ha scritto: > >> The traditional argument against this sort of feature is that someone >> with control over your local socket would most likely have control over >> your graphical environment, and therefore coul

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Ludwig Hügelschäfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 16.02.15 00:07, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >> A "bad signature" _only shows one thing_: The message was >> modified along the way from the signing process (at the senders >> computer) to the verification process (at your computer). > > It doesn't ev

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Xavier Maillard
MFPA <2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net> writes: >>> My preference is Inline: I want everything right there >>> in the message body where I can see it. > >> Exactly what is it you feel the over powering urge to >> see? > > If the message text is covered by a signature, I want to see the > s

Re: SSH generic socket forwarding for gpg-agent

2015-02-15 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Sat 2015-02-14 08:28:19 -0500, Werner Koch wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:23, d...@fifthhorseman.net said: > >> Encouraging this kind of use seems risky. I certainly wouldn't want to >> do it without being able to have gpg-agent prompt me on my local machine >> for each use of the key. Its cu

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2/15/15 12:26 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: | On Sat 2015-02-14 16:36:08 -0500, Doug Barton wrote: |> FWIW, I hate this debate, and try hard to stay out of it. But it really |> bothers me when people spread factually incorrect information, |> es

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sunday 15 February 2015 at 7:55:05 PM, in , Matthias Mansfeld wrote: > One point for inline vs. MIME: You can easily Ctrl-V > the complete inline signed or encrypted mail in the > clipboard and Ctrl-V it in any GnuPG Interface. Doesn't > wo

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sunday 15 February 2015 at 4:25:56 PM, in , Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: > The only place to get trust to the senders key (i.e. to > make it "valid" for you) is to meet the key owner in > real life, verify the identity documents, his > fingerpri

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sunday 15 February 2015 at 3:12:01 PM, in , Stephan Beck wrote: > Didn't you say before you got the same error message as > I did? Yes, I get "gpg: BAD signature from "Xavier Maillard " [unknown]". But that is not an error message, simply a

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Hauke Laging
Am So 15.02.2015, 20:55:05 schrieb Matthias Mansfeld: > One point for inline vs. MIME: You can easily Ctrl-V the complete > inline signed or encrypted mail in the clipboard and Ctrl-V it in any > GnuPG Interface. Doesn't work with a PGP/MIME mail. Let's hope that changes soon: https://bugs.kde.o

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> A "bad signature" _only shows one thing_: The message was modified > along the way from the signing process (at the senders computer) to > the verification process (at your computer). It doesn't even show that. The modification can be in the signature, not the message -- meaning it's possible

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Damien Goutte-Gattat
> What's wrong with what I am doing? You provide GnuPG with only the *signature*. You need to also give it the *signed data* (the message) so that it can perform the verification. If you want to do that manually (something you don’t usually do with PGP/MIME signatures, since it’s quite cumbe

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Stephan Beck
A correction: 5) gpg outputs: gpg: no signed data gpg: can't hash datafile: Error opening file Am 15.02.2015 um 22:42 schrieb Stephan Beck: > Hi, Christopher, > > Am 15.02.2015 um 20:14 schrieb Christopher Beck: >> >> On Sunday 15 February 2015 16:30:33 Stephan Beck wrote: >>> Am 15.02.2015 um 1

Re: GNUPG 2.* and AIX - questions

2015-02-15 Thread Damien Goutte-Gattat
On 02/15/2015 12:16 PM, Michael Felt wrote: My key question is about the difference between v1.X and v2.X - are there security elements in v2 that are missing/weaker in v1 - or are the differences mainly that v2 supports/is always GUI while v1 is always CLI. The gpg program is always CLI-only,

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Stephan Beck
Hi, Christopher, Am 15.02.2015 um 20:14 schrieb Christopher Beck: > > On Sunday 15 February 2015 16:30:33 Stephan Beck wrote: >> Am 15.02.2015 um 12:26 schrieb Ludwig Hügelschäfer: >>> On 14.02.15 23:05, Stephan Beck wrote: > > Sometimes my signatures are being counted as bad ones. But I figure

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Christopher Beck
On Sunday 15 February 2015 15:20:39 Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:55:05 +0100, Matthias Mansfeld stated: > > One point for inline vs. MIME: You can easily Ctrl-V the complete > > inline signed or encrypted mail in the clipboard and Ctrl-V it in any > > GnuPG Interface. Doesn't work with a

Re: SSH generic socket forwarding for gpg-agent

2015-02-15 Thread NdK
Il 13/02/2015 23:23, Daniel Kahn Gillmor ha scritto: > The traditional argument against this sort of feature is that someone > with control over your local socket would most likely have control over > your graphical environment, and therefore could dismiss or hide any > prompt that comes up (so th

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:55:05 +0100, Matthias Mansfeld stated: > One point for inline vs. MIME: You can easily Ctrl-V the complete > inline signed or encrypted mail in the clipboard and Ctrl-V it in any > GnuPG Interface. Doesn't work with a PGP/MIME mail. I have never, ever had a reason to do

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Sat 2015-02-14 16:36:08 -0500, Doug Barton wrote: > FWIW, I hate this debate, and try hard to stay out of it. But it really > bothers me when people spread factually incorrect information, > especially when they try to use that as the basis of their arguments > for/against one method or the o

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Matthias Mansfeld
Zitat von Christopher Beck : According to the question in the topic: inline signatures always worked, MIME didn't. I still wonder why, and after my next exams I'll investigate on that... One point for inline vs. MIME: You can easily Ctrl-V the complete inline signed or encrypted mail in the

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Christopher Beck
On Sunday 15 February 2015 16:30:33 Stephan Beck wrote: > Am 15.02.2015 um 12:26 schrieb Ludwig Hügelschäfer: > > On 14.02.15 23:05, Stephan Beck wrote: > >> Well, it's rather a precautionary measure than an actual security > >> measure, , reminding me of not trusting the key owner's ability to >

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Stephan Beck
Am 15.02.2015 um 17:25 schrieb Ludwig Hügelschäfer: > On 15.02.15 16:30, Stephan Beck wrote: > > The only place to get trust to the senders key (i.e. to make it > "valid" for you) is to meet the key owner in real life, verify the > identity documents, his fingerprint and mail addresses and sign h

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Stephan Beck
Hi, Hauke, Am 15.02.2015 um 17:04 schrieb Hauke Laging: > Am So 15.02.2015, 16:12:01 schrieb Stephan Beck: > >> X-GPG-Key-ID: 0xBA4909B78F04DE1B >> X-GPG-Key: >> http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/pks/lookup?search=0xBA4909B78F04DE1B&op=index >> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 9983 DCA1 1FAC 8DA7 653A F9AA BA49 09B7 8F0

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Ludwig Hügelschäfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 15.02.15 17:11, Damien Goutte-Gattat wrote: > Error - signature verification failed Public key DE2FFC869AFA5165 > needed to verify signature ^^ This is a bug in Enigmail 1.7.2. The sentence should be: "Public

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Ludwig Hügelschäfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 15.02.15 16:30, Stephan Beck wrote: > OK, I give you that, strictly speaking, it might not be the same, > but at the moment I had no other measure at hand to remind me of > being careful with that kind of event. And a bad signature event is > not

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Damien Goutte-Gattat
On 02/15/2015 04:12 PM, Stephan Beck wrote: Obviously, it indicates a key ID 0xBA4909B78F04DE1B and links to a key that is not the key the message was signed with (which is DE2FFC869AFA5165, according to Enigmail/gpg), even if the fingerprint is given as well. Well, the 0xDE2FFC869AFA5165 key i

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Hauke Laging
Am So 15.02.2015, 16:12:01 schrieb Stephan Beck: > X-GPG-Key-ID: 0xBA4909B78F04DE1B > X-GPG-Key: > http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/pks/lookup?search=0xBA4909B78F04DE1B&op=index > X-GPG-Fingerprint: 9983 DCA1 1FAC 8DA7 653A F9AA BA49 09B7 8F04 DE1B > > Obviously, it indicates a key ID 0xBA4909B78F04DE1B a

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Stephan Beck
Am 15.02.2015 um 12:26 schrieb Ludwig Hügelschäfer: > On 14.02.15 23:05, Stephan Beck wrote: > >> Well, it's rather a precautionary measure than an actual security >> measure, , reminding me of not trusting the key owner's ability to >> handle and verify signatures correctly, if he/she uses a signa

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Stephan Beck
Hi MFPA Am 15.02.2015 um 13:14 schrieb MFPA: > > > On Saturday 14 February 2015 at 10:05:24 PM, in > , Stephan Beck wrote: > > >> Well, it's rather a precautionary measure than an >> actual security measure, , reminding me of not trusting >> the key owner's ability to handle and verify signatu

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Saturday 14 February 2015 at 10:05:24 PM, in , Stephan Beck wrote: > Well, it's rather a precautionary measure than an > actual security measure, , reminding me of not trusting > the key owner's ability to handle and verify signatures > correc

GNUPG 2.* and AIX - questions

2015-02-15 Thread Michael Felt
This is not a bug report. Short history - I have tried to package gnupg several times, the gunpg v1.* has never been difficult - and maybe I shall just leave it at that. My key question is about the difference between v1.X and v2.X - are there security elements in v2 that are missing/weaker in v1

Re: MIME or inline signature ?

2015-02-15 Thread Ludwig Hügelschäfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 14.02.15 23:05, Stephan Beck wrote: > Well, it's rather a precautionary measure than an actual security > measure, , reminding me of not trusting the key owner's ability to > handle and verify signatures correctly, if he/she uses a signature > no