Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 6/9/2012 4:14 PM, Peter Lebbing wrote: > Where the question is going is rather simple: what would you > recommend Joe Average User to do to verify the authenticity of the > GnuPG source he downloaded, not questioning his desire to build from > that source. Ah, I see. I apologize for not und

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/06/12 20:47, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > On 06/09/2012 11:57 AM, Peter Lebbing wrote: >> Suppose you would want to build from the vanilla source downloaded from >> gnupg.org and signed by "Werner Koch (dist sig)", how would you verify >> authenticity of that key? > > I don't understand where t

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/06/12 20:05, michael crane wrote: > I'm using dreamhost. I appreciated that it seems quite handy to have all > that random characters stuff outside of the message body and I was > pointing out that it it is not universally accepted to have daemon thingys > like finger running so limiting the

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 06/09/2012 11:57 AM, Peter Lebbing wrote: > Suppose you would want to build from the vanilla source downloaded from > gnupg.org and signed by "Werner Koch (dist sig)", how would you verify > authenticity of that key? I don't understand where this question is going. I would find some trusted pa

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread michael crane
On Sat, June 9, 2012 2:29 pm, Mark Rousell wrote: >> What types of processes are forbidden by DreamHost? >> [deletia] > > Err.. sorry, not following you. :-) Who is using Dreamhost and what has > it got to do with the finger protocol? Werner doesn't seem to be using > Dreamhost for what it's wor

Re: Gpg4win

2012-06-09 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09.06.2012 19:35, John wrote: > When I installed Gpg4win, it came with GnuPG v2.0.17. I am not sure > when it will be updated to include v2.0.19, but I was wondering > whether there would be any problem from substituting the new > version of gpgv2.e

Gpg4win

2012-06-09 Thread John
When I installed Gpg4win, it came with GnuPG v2.0.17. I am not sure when it will be updated to include v2.0.19, but I was wondering whether there would be any problem from substituting the new version of gpgv2.exe for the older one? Thanks. ___ Gnu

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/06/12 17:17, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > My bootstrap is "I trust my Linux distribution." My distro is a trusted > software provider, in the traditional security sense of a "trusted > provider". If I receive software from an official Fedora repo and it is > signed by the repo release team, th

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 06/09/2012 11:05 AM, Peter Lebbing wrote: > your reply, I understand now you did not mean it like that. I was > already quite puzzled about my interpretation because it didn't sound > like you :). Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt. :) > Funnily, we're saying the same thing. You

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/06/12 15:44, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > I'm not weighing in on what the mechanism should be: I don't get to declare > what anyone else's policy should be. I was under the impression you did. I interpreted your mail and particularly the statement > but this either is or isn't a proper verifi

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 06/09/2012 09:44 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >> It doesn't really matter how many Werner Kochs there are. > > Sure it does. As an absurdist thought experiment... An anecdote might work better than an absurdist thought experiment, come to think of it... = In the United States, the colleg

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 06/09/2012 07:21 AM, Peter Lebbing wrote: > So how /do/ you verify that you have the distribution key for GnuPG? By fiat. You go through some mechanism and at the completion declare, "I am satisfied that the likelihood of this *not* being the correct distribution key is quite low." I'm not we

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Mark Rousell
On 09/06/2012 12:05, michael crane wrote: > > On Sat, June 9, 2012 10:28 am, Mark Rousell wrote: >> On 07/06/2012 11:27, Werner Koch wrote: >>> On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:54, pe...@digitalbrains.com said: >>> >>> If you look at my OpenPGP mail header you will be pointed to a “finger” >>> address - ent

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Sven Radde
Hi! >> Perhaps it would be worthwhile to add a question to the signing >> process: "Have you met this person face-to-face and verified >> his/her identity? (y/N)" If the user answers no, display a warning >> that the user probably wants to lsign, not to sign, and give the >> option of making an l

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/06/12 02:22, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > Some might shake their heads and say no, it's not: you only verified you were > speaking with *a* Werner Koch who had access to *the* Werner Koch's email > address, not that you were speaking to *the* Werner Koch. So how /do/ you verify that you have th

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread michael crane
On Sat, June 9, 2012 10:28 am, Mark Rousell wrote: > On 07/06/2012 11:27, Werner Koch wrote: >> On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:54, pe...@digitalbrains.com said: >> >> If you look at my OpenPGP mail header you will be pointed to a “finger” >> address - enter it into your web browser (in case you don't know

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Robert J. Hansen
Please consider trimming your quotes. The amount that's going on here strikes me as pretty excessive. I'm not standing on a chair and screaming that you're doing it wrong, of course: this is just a friendly request to please trim your quotes. :) > The whole idea behind the web of trust is that

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Mark Rousell
On 07/06/2012 11:27, Werner Koch wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:54, pe...@digitalbrains.com said: > > If you look at my OpenPGP mail header you will be pointed to a “finger” > address - enter it into your web browser (in case you don't know what > finger is) and you will see Just as an aside, I

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Werner Koch
On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 23:41, smick...@hotmail.com said: > Another thing is that downloading the key from that link you provided > is no guarantee of safety in and of itself either because the page is > not being hosted over SSL with confirmed identity information. So That is not relevant. The key

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07.06.2012 19:52, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > On 6/7/12 12:32 PM, Werner Koch wrote: >> That is actually a bit funny: I never asked anyone to sign that >> key. Probably they deduced the correctness from my regular key >> which I used to sign the above