Re: [GNC] balance of interests between users and developers

2023-05-21 Thread Paul Kroitor
Or just fire up your OS's favourite hypervisor (Hyper-V for Windows, KVM on Linux, etc) and run multiple instances. In fact, with a single Windows VM, you can keep a tree of alternate realities (i.e., checkpoints), and jump back and forth between different scenarios. For example, running 4.10, you

Re: [GNC] balance of interests between users and developers

2023-05-20 Thread Carsten Hütter
; >From: gnucash-user >on behalf of Michael or Penny Novack >Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 5:25 PM >To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org >Subject: Re: [GNC] balance of interests between users and developers > >Precisely because I am a retired pro, I ha

Re: [GNC] balance of interests between users and developers

2023-05-20 Thread Gyle McCollam
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 5:25 PM To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] balance of interests between users and developers Precisely because I am a retired pro, I have not worked on development in this volunteer environment. See, my experience was in a different environment when

Re: [GNC] balance of interests between users and developers

2023-05-20 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
Precisely because I am a retired pro, I have not worked on development in this volunteer environment. See, my experience was in a different environment when we had end user commitment to the project. By which I mean end user TIME. Not "I want" but "I am willing to commit to the end user part o

Re: [GNC] balance of interests between users and developers

2023-05-20 Thread John Dablin via gnucash-user
On 20/05/2023 20:05, Vincent Dawans wrote: In my (long gone) days as a paid software developer, we had access to a QA/test team that would give us all the feedback we needed. In my own (also long gone) days as a software developer I remember reading a (partly) humorous  article that reckoned t

Re: [GNC] balance of interests between users and developers

2023-05-20 Thread Stan Brown
On 2023-05-20 12:05, Vincent Dawans wrote: > When you compile from source on Linux in particular, as a developer this is > super easy and allows you to install as many versions of gnucash > concurrently as you want. However I don't think it's possible to install > concurrent versions from official

Re: [GNC] balance of interests between users and developers

2023-05-20 Thread Vincent Dawans
I think Geert puts the issue clearly in highlighting the need for more testing, a weak spot in any open source software. This is even more so with gnuCash because we are dealing with critical financial data, both in terms of the importance of testing but also the challenge since we don't want users

Re: [GNC] balance of interests between users and developers

2023-05-20 Thread Maf. King
Thank you Geert, for a considered response and reminder of the limitations of a (all?) volunteer groups. I can imagine that it was disheartening for the dev team to be met with so many bugs and so much vitriol over the issues some use-cases found with the 5.0 release. I can also understand the

Re: [GNC] balance of interests between users and developers

2023-05-20 Thread Geert Janssens
I really shouldn't answer this, but it's too painful to read... Perhaps the user's expectations are too high for a volunteer project such as gnucash. It's true, things go wrong. Especially with major releases which typically have changes accumulating over the longer development cycle which get

Re: [GNC] balance of interests between users and developers

2023-05-20 Thread G R Hewitt
I agree with the sentiments WM expressed; I have had the growing feeling from reading the emails that pet projects are worked on in isolation to the main. It kind of reminds me of a model railway exhibition I once went to many moons ago. On one large display, all nicely set out, no trains were runn