Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2024-01-04 Thread David Cousens
Quinn, GnuCash is used in many jurisdictions/countries and the accounting treatment of specific situations depends very strongly on the particular legislation, particularly business law, taxation law, contract law and general law applying in a given jurisdiction. These are not necessarily and in

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2024-01-04 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I agree. Regards, Adrien On 1/4/24 9:18 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: Users should keep in mind that when we say things like "you don't have to close the books; gnucash can produce the necessary reports without doing that" we are talking about PERSONAL books and sole proprietorships. Equ

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2024-01-04 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
On 1/4/2024 9:34 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: GnuCash is not getting in your way here. You are free to do what you would do if you were keeping books using Pen & Ink. That process would require the same accounts. What GnuCash is not doing here, that you are asking for, is providing a report so

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2024-01-04 Thread Adrien Monteleone
On 1/3/24 12:19 PM, Quinn Wood wrote: You already give advice on how to keep books on the wiki. There is an entire page telling people you don't need to close your books in GnuCash that proceeds to give people workarounds for how to do some of the things closing your books accomplishes. Adding th

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2024-01-04 Thread Adrien Monteleone
GnuCash is not getting in your way here. You are free to do what you would do if you were keeping books using Pen & Ink. That process would require the same accounts. What GnuCash is not doing here, that you are asking for, is providing a report so you don't have to mimic the formal methods of

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2024-01-03 Thread Quinn Wood
On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 11:25 AM Adrien Monteleone < adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > Isn't that how it would be done using Pen & Ink anyway? > > GnuCash has some features to make a few routine tasks easier, but it > should not get in your way from doing something via normal processes. > W

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2024-01-03 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
On 1/3/2024 1:19 PM, Quinn Wood wrote: On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 09:13 Michael or Penny Novack < stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote: Although I am NOT "qualified" to give advice I will give one example related to the above to show not free to do just any old thing. If keeping books for a corporation,

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2024-01-03 Thread Quinn Wood
On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 09:13 Michael or Penny Novack < stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote: > Although I am NOT "qualified" to give advice I will give one example > related to the above to show not free to do just any old thing. If keeping > books for a corporation, as soon as the Directors declare a

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2024-01-03 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Isn't that how it would be done using Pen & Ink anyway? GnuCash has some features to make a few routine tasks easier, but it should not get in your way from doing something via normal processes. Regards, Adrien On 1/2/24 11:49 AM, Quinn Wood wrote: I've identified a solution for this issue t

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2024-01-03 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
On 1/2/2024 12:49 PM, Quinn Wood wrote: On Tue, Jan 2, 2024, 10:43 Michael or Penny Novack wrote: Other than the suitability/unsuitability gnucash provided "tool" for closing the books this isn't really a gnucash question. I've identified a solution for this issue that does not requi

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2024-01-02 Thread Quinn Wood
On Tue, Jan 2, 2024, 10:43 Michael or Penny Novack < stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote: > Other than the suitability/unsuitability gnucash provided "tool" for > closing the books this isn't really a gnucash question. > I've identified a solution for this issue that does not require a custom repor

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2024-01-02 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
Other than the suitability/unsuitability gnucash provided "tool" for closing the books this isn't really a gnucash question. Yes, partnerships, corporations, etc. will not simply be lumping all components of equity together. But worst case you so the "close the books" manually putting the net

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2024-01-01 Thread Quinn Wood
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 10:28 PM Quinn Wood wrote: > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 5:11 PM David Cousens > wrote: > >> Have you investigated customizing the reports for the particular >> situation and >> renaming the report sections to meet your needs. The Edit->Report Options >> alows >> selecting pa

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2023-10-22 Thread Quinn Wood
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 5:11 PM David Cousens wrote: > Have you investigated customizing the reports for the particular situation > and > renaming the report sections to meet your needs. The Edit->Report Options > alows > selecting particular accounts, date ranges etc but modifying the report > c

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2023-10-22 Thread David Cousens
Quinn, Have you investigated customizing the reports for the particular situation and renaming the report sections to meet your needs. The Edit->Report Options alows selecting particular accounts, date ranges etc but modifying the report code (Scheme) allows you to customize them to whatever you w

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2023-10-22 Thread Quinn Wood
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 3:56 PM Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) < stan...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > On 2023-10-22 12:55, Quinn Wood wrote: > > The only use case where retained earnings comes into play is when > > performing bookkeeping for a business that is taxed separately from its > > owners. > > I don'

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2023-10-22 Thread Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)
On 2023-10-22 12:55, Quinn Wood wrote: > The only use case where retained earnings comes into play is when > performing bookkeeping for a business that is taxed separately from its > owners. I don't think that's right. (1) I was on the Board of a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt charity, and we had retained

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2023-10-22 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
GnuCash is designed to not need to. You can happily just keep plodding along until the Sun consumes the Earth. Closing books was necessary in pen and paper days because books were physical volumes with limited space. They were not infinite. This had the added benefit of catching errors

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2023-10-22 Thread Quinn Wood
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 1:42 PM Adrien Monteleone < adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > From the GnuCash website: > > "GnuCash is personal and small-business financial-accounting software..." > I will note that "small" in terms of revenue, assets, staff, or owners is arbitrary, so I'll focu

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2023-10-22 Thread Adrien Monteleone
From the GnuCash website: "GnuCash is personal and small-business financial-accounting software..." (also contained in the Readme.txt file) How large or complicated of a 'small business' is meant here would be better answered by one of the developers, but an example of out-of-scope would be '

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2023-10-22 Thread Quinn Wood
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 12:56 PM Adrien Monteleone < adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > First, your use case might be out of scope for GnuCash. > Could you clarify what you believe the use case is, and what you believe in-scope use of the software would be? _

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2023-10-22 Thread Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)
On 2023-10-22 09:47, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > Why do you want to close the books? Habit? > GnuCash is designed to not need to. I was closing books because otherwise I thought I couldn't see current year's income and expense totals. But, as Adrien taught me, if you just want a way to see the curr

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2023-10-22 Thread Adrien Monteleone
First, your use case might be out of scope for GnuCash. But you might be able to accomplish #3 with a Transaction Report. Since you want a delta though, you will likely have to run two such reports with different ending dates (either independently or using the Multi-Column report) and then exp

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2023-10-22 Thread Quinn Wood
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 9:59 AM Michael or Penny Novack < stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote: > Sorry, but this isn't really a gnucash question. > > By which I mean if you knew how to do this (by the standards of your > jurisdiction) were the books being kept the old fashioned way, pen and > ink on

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2023-10-22 Thread Adrien Monteleone
The GnuCash workflow doesn't include 'closing the books'. That function was added by request, but it is entirely optional. Following up from Michael's answer, I'll ask: Why do you want to close the books? Habit? GnuCash is designed to not need to. You can happily just keep plodding along unt

Re: [GNC] When closing books, equity statement report is incorrect

2023-10-22 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
Sorry, but this isn't really a gnucash question. By which I mean if you knew how to do this (by the standards of your jurisdiction) were the books being kept the old fashioned way, pen and ink on paper, you would have little difficulty doing it with the books being kept using gnucash. The "ret