Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-12-02 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 12/1/18 6:20 PM, Christopher Lam wrote: Dear Stephen Most describe various transaction *types* - They are also different modules in a business financial package. (1) GL ones are regular everyday money movements (2) AP/AR transactions are business amounts owed/payable and are already im

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-12-01 Thread Christopher Lam
Dear Stephen Most describe various transaction *types* - (1) GL ones are regular everyday money movements (2) AP/AR transactions are business amounts owed/payable and are already implemented (3) FA transactions are multiyear entities whereby a single asset/liability is amortized over time, and are

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-28 Thread Thomas Forrester
Hence the reason payroll is so often outsourced. On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 4:20 PM Derek Atkins wrote: > Geert Janssens writes: > > > Payroll on the other hand is not my cup of tea and likely more targeted > at > > larger businesses. > > When I was more active in my consulting business, a payroll

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-28 Thread Derek Atkins
Geert Janssens writes: > Payroll on the other hand is not my cup of tea and likely more targeted at > larger businesses. When I was more active in my consulting business, a payroll feature would have been very useful. I still maintain that GnuCash could contain a payroll framework which define

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Yes, Now, add on support for the U.S. where you have Federal rules, State rules, even some City rules, and then those rules vary by industry, filing status, income level, type of entity making the payment, and so on. The monster just keeps growing. Intuit must have a small army working round th

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread John Ralls
> On Nov 28, 2018, at 8:36 AM, John Ralls wrote: > > > >> On Nov 28, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Michael or Penny Novack >> wrote: >> >> On 11/26/2018 11:27 PM, David Cousens wrote: >>> Steve, >>> >>> I'd reinforce John and Adrien's comments about diving right in. I >>> originally learned C somew

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread Robert Heller
At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:49:17 -0800 "Stephen M. Butler" wrote: > > On 11/27/18 4:46 AM, Robert Heller wrote: > > At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:13:37 +0100 Geert Janssens > > wrote: > > > >> Op dinsdag 27 november 2018 00:17:06 CET schreef John Ralls: > On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Stephen M. Butl

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread David Cousens
Steve, > You might be able to built an abstract engine upon which other (local) > configurators could build specific rules for their areas. Trying to do > something to handle all cases out of the box is a recipe for early death > by a thousand cuts. To some extent that was the point I was tryi

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 11/27/18 3:11 PM, David Cousens wrote: Robert, Geert, On Tue, 2018-11-27 at 07:46 -0500, Robert Heller wrote: At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:13:37 +0100 Geert Janssens wrote: Op dinsdag 27 november 2018 00:17:06 CET schreef John Ralls: On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Stephen M. Butler wrote: Th

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 11/27/18 7:59 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: On 11/26/2018 11:27 PM, David Cousens wrote: Steve, I'd reinforce John and Adrien's comments about diving right in. I originally learned C somewhere in the late 1980's from Kernigan and Ritchie's book and used the language for a couple of year

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 11/27/18 6:47 AM, David Cousens wrote: Robert, Geert, On Tue, 2018-11-27 at 07:46 -0500, Robert Heller wrote: At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:13:37 +0100 Geert Janssens wrote: Op dinsdag 27 november 2018 00:17:06 CET schreef John Ralls: Payroll on the other hand is not my cup of tea and likely

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 11/27/18 4:46 AM, Robert Heller wrote: At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:13:37 +0100 Geert Janssens wrote: Op dinsdag 27 november 2018 00:17:06 CET schreef John Ralls: On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Stephen M. Butler wrote: The other big issue is that your description of the various modules in a bus

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 11/27/18 1:13 AM, Geert Janssens wrote: Op dinsdag 27 november 2018 00:17:06 CET schreef John Ralls: On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Stephen M. Butler wrote: The other big issue is that your description of the various modules in a business accounting system is for *big* business. That’s not wh

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread David Cousens
Robert, Geert, On Tue, 2018-11-27 at 07:46 -0500, Robert Heller wrote: > At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:13:37 +0100 Geert Janssens > wrote: > > > > > Op dinsdag 27 november 2018 00:17:06 CET schreef John Ralls: > > > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Stephen M. Butler wrote: > > > > > > The other big

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
On 11/27/2018 1:04 AM, Jeff Abrahamson wrote: I second that you can just start with C++. C++11 and beyond permits and encourages programming styles that are very different from C's. I'd stress that encourages rather than permits, but very strong encouragement as being permitted to do something

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
On 11/26/2018 11:27 PM, David Cousens wrote: Steve, I'd reinforce John and Adrien's comments about diving right in. I originally learned C somewhere in the late 1980's from Kernigan and Ritchie's book and used the language for a couple of years. Not a bad way to learn I used that book too. The

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread David Cousens
Robert, Geert, On Tue, 2018-11-27 at 07:46 -0500, Robert Heller wrote: > At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:13:37 +0100 Geert Janssens > wrote: > > > > > Op dinsdag 27 november 2018 00:17:06 CET schreef John Ralls: > > > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Stephen M. Butler wrote: > > > > > > The other big

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread Robert Heller
At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:13:37 +0100 Geert Janssens wrote: > > Op dinsdag 27 november 2018 00:17:06 CET schreef John Ralls: > > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Stephen M. Butler wrote: > > The other big issue is that your description of the various modules in a > > business accounting system is f

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-27 Thread Geert Janssens
Op dinsdag 27 november 2018 00:17:06 CET schreef John Ralls: > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Stephen M. Butler wrote: > The other big issue is that your description of the various modules in a > business accounting system is for *big* business. That’s not what GnuCash > is designed for and not wh

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-26 Thread Jeff Abrahamson
I second that you can just start with C++.  C++11 and beyond permits and encourages programming styles that are very different from C's. A while back (having already worked with C and C++ for many years) I read Koenig & Moo's Accelerated C++.  For specificity, here's a link at one online vendor:

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-26 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 11/26/18 8:27 PM, David Cousens wrote: Steve, I'd reinforce John and Adrien's comments about diving right in. I originally learned C somewhere in the late 1980's from Kernigan and Ritchie's book and used the language for a couple of years. After that I moved on to Matlab and Mathematica for

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-26 Thread David Cousens
Steve, I'd reinforce John and Adrien's comments about diving right in. I originally learned C somewhere in the late 1980's from Kernigan and Ritchie's book and used the language for a couple of years. After that I moved on to Matlab and Mathematica for most of my calculation needs (employed by th

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-26 Thread John Ralls
> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Stephen M. Butler wrote: > > On 11/26/18 7:00 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: >> Stephen, >> >> You can learn it directly. My university didn’t even offer C except as part >> of their Operating Systems Design course. They start everyone off with C++. >> >> Regard

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-26 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 11/26/18 7:00 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: Stephen, You can learn it directly. My university didn’t even offer C except as part of their Operating Systems Design course. They start everyone off with C++. Regards, Adrien Good to know. On Nov 26, 2018, at 8:18 PM, Stephen M. Butler wrote:

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-26 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Stephen, You can learn it directly. My university didn’t even offer C except as part of their Operating Systems Design course. They start everyone off with C++. Regards, Adrien > On Nov 26, 2018, at 8:18 PM, Stephen M. Butler wrote: > > > > And I think the route to C++ is learning C -- or c

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-26 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 11/26/18 3:11 PM, David Cousens wrote: Stephen, Gnucash really only fully implements the first three modules you have described. It is certainly capable of maintaining the records necessary for the other areas but does not support any in built calculations and automatic creation of the entrie

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-26 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 11/26/18 3:17 PM, John Ralls wrote: On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Stephen M. Butler wrote: I was both excited and dismayed to learn that GnuCash has "Fixed Assets". Excited because that meant an expansion of capability and dismayed because reading between the lines implied only the setti

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-26 Thread John Ralls
> On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Stephen M. Butler wrote: > > I was both excited and dismayed to learn that GnuCash has "Fixed Assets". > Excited because that meant an expansion of capability and dismayed because > reading between the lines implied only the setting up of an accounting > struc

Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

2018-11-26 Thread David Cousens
Stephen, Gnucash really only fully implements the first three modules you have described. It is certainly capable of maintaining the records necessary for the other areas but does not support any in built calculations and automatic creation of the entries in the books. At present any use of GnuCas