Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-06 Thread David Carlson
Greetings All, Like many of you, I am not an accountant and I do not have a compelling reason to be precisely accurate to GAAP other than yielding to my OCD. I am a US citizen so I am subject to US IRS tax code as well as state and local taxes. When I was actively employed and contributing to va

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-05 Thread DaveC49
Hi David The main reason for my suggested approach is that the relevant income is still earned at the time the contributions are initially made and at the time the fund earnings are credited to the account. It is only that the tax on these earnings is deferred until the RRSP is converted to an RRI

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-05 Thread David T. via gnucash-user
Michael, Because of your experience and knowledge, I was really hoping you’d weigh in with insight on the question of how to report a disbursement from one of these common retirement vehicles as income, rather than a transfer between assets. How would you recommend tracking money that is earned

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-05 Thread Mike or Penny Novack
On 1/5/2018 1:05 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote: David— I see where you are coming from on this. For reference, I accept your 5 assumptions; I believe they are accurate for many US retirement accounts as well. . I guess, from a philosophical perspective, the question really is: w

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-04 Thread David T. via gnucash-user
David— I see where you are coming from on this. For reference, I accept your 5 assumptions; I believe they are accurate for many US retirement accounts as well. The Income/Equity splits in Cam’s example are a mechanism that allow distributions to appear as income on reports, without affecting

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-04 Thread DaveC49
Cam, I have been giving a bit of thought to the way one might account properly for Retirement funds. I am not sure how your CRA asks for information about income from your RRIFs. In Australia, I have specific questions in the tax return dialog at which I have to record the income from such funds a

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-04 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On 3 January 2018 at 22:11, Cam Ellison wrote: > >> The examples I used were (perhaps over-) simplifications. In practice, I > actually have a number of stocks and money market accounts within two RIFs, > like so: > > Assets:investments:RIF:Stock1 > Assets:Investments:RIF:Stock2 > Assets:Investme

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-03 Thread Cam Ellison
On 03/01/18 04:36 PM, Matthew Pounsett wrote: I am not an accountant.. or even a bookkeeper.. but here's how I deal with RRSPs. For me, the RRSPs have been converted to Income Funds, but the principle and procedure are still the same. Contribution is straightforward: from a Current Asset acco

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-03 Thread Matthew Pounsett
I am not an accountant.. or even a bookkeeper.. but here's how I deal with RRSPs. > >> For me, the RRSPs have been converted to Income Funds, but the principle > and procedure are still the same. Contribution is straightforward: from a > Current Asset account to the RRSP, like this: > > Assets:Cu

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-02 Thread Cam Ellison
On 02/01/18 06:52 PM, DaveC49 wrote: Larry If your withdrawals from the RRSP are taxable on withdrawal then I think your approach of using two files recording transfers to your bank account from the RRSP as Expenses in the RRSP account and Income in your main accounts should work fine as it wil

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-02 Thread lejohnston
Victor, Dave, Thanks for your help. At this point my file is not very large and my new RRSP file will be quite small, so I think I will give this approach a try. Larry On 01/02/18 06:08 PM, "R. Victor Klassen" wrote: > > > > > > I kind of like your approach - thus far I’ve tracked my re

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-02 Thread DaveC49
Larry If your withdrawals from the RRSP are taxable on withdrawal then I think your approach of using two files recording transfers to your bank account from the RRSP as Expenses in the RRSP account and Income in your main accounts should work fine as it will satisfy the accounting equation in b

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-02 Thread R. Victor Klassen
I kind of like your approach - thus far I’ve tracked my retirement accounts outside of GnuCash, which is similar. The only pitfall I can see is if your gnucash file gets at all large, the time it takes to open a file gets long. And having multiple files means the file-open delay whenever you s

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-02 Thread lejohnston
Hi, Last year I treated the RRSP as an asset and contributions as transfers from a Savings Account to the RRSP account. I think this is in line with what Dave is saying. Although as you say contributions are tax deductible, earnings are tax-deferred; withdrawals are taxable I am not especially

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-02 Thread R. Victor Klassen
The remaining unanswered question, which I think is part of the original question, is what to do about withdrawals being treated as taxable income? For those in the US, an RRSP is roughly equivalent to an (non-Roth) IRA. Contributions are tax deductible, earnings are tax-deferred; withdrawals a

Re: How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-02 Thread DaveC49
Larry, I'm not familiar with the details of RRSP accounts in Canada so any comments here are general in nature and not taken as accounting advice per se. If it is a retirement savings account you would treat it as an Asset. Depending upon the conditions associated with withdrawal of funds from

How to deal with RRSP's (Canada)

2018-01-01 Thread lejohnston
Hi, I am starting my second year in GNUCash. I think I may have set up my RRSP's (I think in the US they are 401K's) incorrrectly. I have them as Asset accounts under Current Assets. At first it seemed ok but now as I am getting closer to starting to withdraw funds rather than deposit them I am